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This was originally mentioned in this thread, but I believe it's a bug: Original observations: I've experimented with the drop tanks during the last few days and they are definitely a bit peculiar. I've written a script to see the fuel level in messages regularly (only overall, but better than nothing) to see whether the fuel somehow disappears or what. I always burn a bit of left-wing tank to get around 75 mark and it never gets to F, so I hope there is no problem on this front. The mission is my custom free flight and the stories vary: I've flown ~angels 20 on the left drop tank, I switched to the right tank drop tank and lost fuel pressure within seconds, although there was no chance I spent the whole fuel. Repeated on at least two flights, no idea what was wrong. (I have no info on the fuel level for these cases, it was before I added the script.) I've active-paused the plane after the mission start at angels 6, fuel 157% (100% is for full internal fuel), went over all the tanks, starting with a bit from the wing left, then the combats one after another... fuel pressure dropped when expected based on the fuel %, I switched through all of them and went all the way to 0. The plane "flew" for over 5 hours, no problem. (I used time accel of course.) I went over Caucasus again, ~angels 30, used the both left and right drop tank just a bit, then switched to the right drop tank for good when I was ~140% of fuel. The missing 17% went a bit from the left wing and both combat tanks. Neither of the combat tanks could have been empty by this time, it's mathematically impossible. The fuel reported going down all the way to 92%... it worked like there was some kind of interconnect between the drop tanks, because the moment the fuel pressure dropped, I switched to the left combat tank - and it was empty too! I have no explanation for this behavior, the only normal case seemed the experiment in active pause. I don't know how altitude is involved in all this, reportedly the altitude can make the engine management harder, but I guess you want to use drop tanks first even when you escort bombers in high altitude - and you probably want to fly high to fly further, but I'm not an expert on this. Later test with track and fuel message each 10s: I've made another test, this time at higher altitude, although I'm not sure how important that is. First I went for active-pause test and accelerated time, no problems at all, switching went exactly as expected. Start at 157% of fuel, switch to left combat tank at 152%, then - as calculated and expected - fuel pressure dropped around 123%, so I switched to R combat tank, and then around 95% (first 5% went from the left wing tank) I switched to internal tanks. No problem. Second time I decided to fly actually fly it and also switch more often from tank to tank, but make notes what happens when. To my surprise, things went wrong quickly... again, around 152% I went for L combat tank, then around 143% I switched to R combat tank. I lost a plane for a moment, but I don't believe the maneuvers were that excessive, but... suddenly I lost 50 gals in 10 seconds: There is nothing in the Score window, I wasn't sure about some malfunction... I made and checked the track again, whether I'd see anything in those moments... nothing obvious in an external view. But 50 gals were lost. Strangely, from the gauges it seemed like some internal fuel was lost as well. So, naturally, I suspected the maneuvers. I restarted the mission and tried pretty crazy things... but I couldn't replicate it. Track file is attached. p51d-lost-fueltrk.trk

Yeah, the problem with these things often is that at first one doesn't know whether it's a bug or not. Me, for instance, could not clearly see what and when is what happening and it took literally hours to somewhat replicate it, not to mention writing some internal fuel script output that I wouldn't have written otherwise. I'll try to repost under bugs although my faith is not strong. But without a bug report it's even weaker, of course. I'm on it. Edit - here it is:

It's easy, I tried both, and I could probably manage instant+recenter - and it worked for me 9x% of cases - sometimes I happen to be in such a panic that I didn't properly reset/recenter one of the axes. In that case, the trim simply didn't work for that which lead to a confusing experience. Maybe it was a dead-zone matter as well (I have mostly 0 dead-zones). So I'd not take this option away from people for whom it works, it's a logical option that works great for many. Instant is somewhat great, but it causes crazy maneuvers for bigger channges. And that's where this fade-in/fade-out comes in (the name is probably most meaningful for musicians? ). It simply changes the trim from whatever position to the "center" (at that moment) over some time - during which I can counteract it by moving the joystick towards the centre - but without the need to totally reset/recenter it. That's why it's great. Because Instant is like you snapped the stick suddenly - which may even not be good for some helos - but "recenter with delay" (or fade-in/fade-out) makes it smoothly and I can counteract/anticipate it.

This is a no-brainer. Of course, we can argue whether it's "a new feature for a finished module", but that doesn't make it any less missing and a bit ridiculous that even mod has it and pro modules don't.

I haven't so far, but if you have, it always helps to be specific, screenshots, which modules, which bindings, etc. Vague reports may result in vague fixes.

Fantastic response time! Must have mod for control freaks like me. Thank you guys a lot.

UH-1H, L-39

This seems to be it: https://www.navysite.de/what/bridgewing.htm

I'm puzzled about this thing for CH-47F: Added. Ground detent position for the Thrust Cont Lever. And I'm not alone, obviously (the comment is from after the update): I know what it does when it's checked in Special Options (appearing as ugly GROUND_DETENT). I investigated, why my Ng "needles" settle ~63 instead of 50-55. Only when I press AND HOLD a keybind for "Ground Detent override - pressing" it goes down to normal values. So my laymen observation is, that it disables/offsets the lower range of the thrust lever, but I have no idea how it should work because the manual doesn't say anything about it (at least not when I search in text). If there is a ground detent, is it so coarse that I can't just pull the lever gently above it? Does it always jump to ~63 on Ng indicator? Also, if it is a detent, shouldn't there be more than just a single hold-n-press binding for it?

EDIT: I forgot to point out this uses bash from Git for Windows, it's not a cmd command. No, that command merely detects the missions that have SnapViews anywhere in the mission (but that will likely be under Config/View). In most case the whole Config folder from inside the *.miz file can go away (my experience, of course, somebody more qualified can clarify or point out exceptions). Don't do this for the missions in the DCS installation directory - instead, copy the mission into your Missions (under Saved Games), fix it there and leave the default one be. It would be overridden by the next update anyway. So just play your fixed mission instead of the one from the training.

It seems this was remedied to some degree. I don't have all modules, but the current output from the command above is much shorter: F-16C/Missions/Training/Lesson 20 - AGM-65 Maverick.miz M-2000C/Missions/Training/M2K Training 04 FINAL ILS.miz Su-25A/Missions/Campaigns/CWW-Outro.miz I'm not sure about F-16C and M-2000C, whether the missions were updated, if I don't own the plane and just trialled it in the past. They seem to be as the date on the F-16C mission is 2025-03-19, so it's quite up to date. In any case, it's much better - as for P-51D, it's actually fixed. Maybe the command above can be run occasionally as some part of testing process by someone having all the modules: for i in */Missions/*/*.miz; do unzip -l "$i" | grep -iq SnapViews.lua && echo $i ; done BTW: this uses bash from Windows Git, not cmd. In any case, I thank you for the fixes.

Check the mission file (it's just a zip with a different extension), there may be "baked-in" views under Config/View/SnapViews.lua. Just remove the Config/View folder and the missions will be OK. This often happens in community misions, but even some ED's missions are/were broken this way:

I don't doubt there is a problem. I'm just saying that a screenshot is not enough. Let's say the bug goes like this - this is a hypothetical scenario: I have the following snapviews (file attached to the post). I load the following mission (attached in the post). NOTES: The mission is a minimal mission for practical reproduction - that is, a single Player-skill plane, if that is enough to replicate the issue. If it's not plane-specific, use a free Su-25T or TF-51D. Of course, if it's only with some plane or some map, use those. I do this and this in a mission. (Trackfile is included in the post.) I leave the mission and check my snapviews and see that the modification date was updated. I can also see the differences (tools like diff or WinMerge). And again, the modified file is attached to the post. Now somebody can try it and say "yeah, I see it now" - or, sometimes frustratingly, but happens as well - "sorry, it works on my end". And the process can follow one way or the other. This described scenario, with all the necessary config files provided, is important even if it's not the only one where it happens for you. That's OK. The important stuff is that someone else can confirm or not, and then the hunt can continue, e.g. what are your other options, etc. Screenshots and videos are welcome additions, but not enough. Does the process make sense?

ED will not show signs of life without a reproducible use case. I said previously - there were bugs related to views, some were fixed, but there may still be more. But this thread so far was more confusing than evidence based. It's not like nobody believes there are bugs, but always try to make it easy for the guys to reproduce. Provide tracks, configs, videos, evidence. I can't test any Corsair mission as I don't have the bird, yet I wanted to help originally with other missions you provided, but these were wrong missions (baked-in views) and your replay was "but what about"... It's jsut very difficult to help in such a case. Make the case clear, I know it's sometimes really hard, but it's close to impossible to reproduce anything based on anecdotes. These things can even be different bugs caused by different things, just manifesting in a similar manner. ED will not waste time on a report as vague as this one. They have many more quality reports and then they have their priorities as well, so even totally obvious proven bugs are not fixed for many years. Is it Marians WWII related? Is it F-16C training mission related? Is it Corsair related (is it even ED's problem in that case)? Hunt down a concrete case and document it well.

Cargo. Internal cargo support added for UH-1H, Mi-8 and Mi-24P What exactly does this mean? Is it related to this thread?

How did you get to those missions? Are these your missions? Because all the missions have baked-in views, so yes, they will NOT WORK as expected: I started DCS, opened the Mission Editor, created a new Marianas mission, put MiG-15 there, skill Player, saved. No baked in views. Something must have happened to put them there. Try to do this minimal mission and look into the miz file. Mine looks like this: As you can see, no Config subdir there. I'd like to help you, or at least say "I don't know how to, problem is somewhere else", but you have to stop complaining about the mission with baked-in views. They will NOT work with your snap views. As I said above, first things first, be SURE the mission does NOT have baked-in views. Otherwise, we're wasting everybody's time - yours included. Then we can figure out what else is wrong. E.g. how did the config/views appeared there. Or if it's not there, what else doesn't work. Right now we haven't moved from square one. Always follow the evidence. Otherwise things get confusing.

Just a question about the asset packs - is it just models or also AI? Or is it somehow limited by some "core AI"? Because my sense of immersion is much more destroyed when I see a bunch of army guys tackling a very difficult problem called "a fence" or even "going around a building", acting like idiots, really. In that moment, I just don't care whether they are a modern or WWII unit. Sure, DCS planes also have bugs, often unattended for a decade, but at least they are the core experience. Too much stuff is deemed not important for years - even in planes - but when it comes to tech packs, it's another level. NS430 having no radio (although prominently mentioned on the shop page), CA is more of a gimmick with many quality issues, so maybe that's why my perception of anything beyond aircraft and maps (although... maps are also getting complicated) is a bit stained. Don't worry, I'll likely buy it, but pardon my Stockholm syndrome. There is a reason for it.

VRAM is OK unless it suddenly is not. The problem is that with the very same mission, you can get various results with various aircraft. E.g. these are my numbers for UH-1H on Germany map: The helo is actually hot, and with another CH-47F in view. And this is the number with a cold CH-47F after the game finally loaded all the cockpit stuff: This is a brutal difference. So think about that as well. That said, faster memory (nVidia 5xxx wins here) and faster PCIe bus (depends on the MB)... and also PCIe lanes (depends, often AMD has more in the same price range) - this all affects your experience when you run out of VRAM. But the best thing is not to, if possible.

This is an interesting idea. No "free", but "included" somehow. It's not quite the same but much better for some users. And yes, I understand that many other users don't have problems with a separate pack. Of course, there is hard to say whether this would promote some additional sales of those modules... and some modules are 3rd party, so there are some complications. But it's a nice model.

I haven't seen the price tag and assumed $30... which will likely be $15 during sales, true that. Not a big deal. Or maybe even less with WWII pack. The story with the giveway is interesting. Maybe people got shy. Happy flying to you as well.

OK, probably multiple things are going on here, so it's hard to say what exactly is wrong: Corsair-Complete-02.miz is clean, no baked-in views there. The other mission has Config dir inside it, it can be completely removed (Config/View overrides your views): This happens when the mission is "prepared" in the mission editor. That is Flight / Prepare Mission (Ctrl+M). Fly Mission alone does not do this and is safe to use. What happens with the Corsair in the clean mission, I have no idea. I didn't understand the story related to your screenshots of the View folder, not sure what happens when and what gets wrong. So, first step is to be always sure that the mission doesn't have baked-in views. With that, any other troubleshooting leads nowhere and just confuses you. Let's compare only clean missions. But with the "clean" mission, I have no idea what is going on.

Perhaps "fragment" would be a better word. And the whole community is actually a set of many communities (and often just individuals ) with different views. Sorry to tire you with this. I actually own WW2 pack and the other two tech-packs, but that doesn't change my view on the asset packs. Of course, in single-player it doesn't really matter, you either buy it or not, you have it or not, there is no other implication, except for campaigns and perhaps community missions. I understand there is a lot of effort put into those assets and at least it's a big logical group of assets. I can also imagine a developer micro-selling micro things, so this is still better.

Assets Packs are "necessary evil", although I'm not sure about necessary. In any case it splits the community when it comes to MP server access and adds another barrier for entry when it comes to a new theater, e.g. when buying a campaign... But that's part of DCS. GOOD NEWS are those new modules on trial. That's a great news! I love trial program and most modules I've bought were after a trial. (Not all trials turned to purchases, of course.) Trial is a great bonus. Sometimes it's also a great distraction from a routine.

Just to be absolutely sure - what works and what does not? Because there was a problem with the default zoom (the zoom after the mission starts, that is the zoom for the default view). This is just another problem, although it has been fixed in the meantime... Can you at least tell us what is happening with your Saved Games\<DCS>\Config\View\SnapViews.lua file? Does it change when you notice the unexpected behavior? That is - back it up and then compare it (use some kind of diff tool). Also, does it happen with any other plane? Does it happen on any other map with the same plane? This may be plane-related. In SW anything is possible, so it may be even map-related, but I doubt this one. To hunt it down, you have to go analytical.

Are you sure it is resetting - or is it actually not right in particular missions? Because missions can be done in such a way they remember snap-views. It is mostly unintended, but it's easy to create such missions, and even some ED's missions for their modules had these snap-views baked in. That is... create your mission with just a plane and try it. Does it use your snap views? If so, then they are not lost, just overridden by the other mission.