FlankerFan35

There are plenty liveries in the user files section of forums

At this point I just want another red gen 4 idc if it's a J-10A T_T, even a FC3 11B, 27SM

Yep, gen 4 red is dead without Deka doing something tho

This makes sense but these codes first showed up as far as I can tell publicly in 2021 so it's hard to say, I would guess in NATO training pilots are learning the codes though. I know we don't have these other weapons in DCS at the moment I think but we have PL-12/SD-10 (CH-AA-7), PL-15/15E (CH-AA-10) and PL-10/10E as (CH-AA-9)

Found this article that has some NATO codenames for Chinese missiles, namely CH-AA-7 for the PL-12/SD-10, was wondering if anyone can verify if this code is correct and if so, would ED add it to SD-10 tag on kill feed as SD-10 (CH-AA-7) similar to how R-27 comes up as R-27ER (AA-10 Alamo) or R-77 (AA-12 Adder). China fires longer-range AAM at export market (iiss.org)

This would be cool but impossible as it uses AESA which DCS can't model yet iirc, best hope is a early batch J-10B or an Su-30MKK/MK2.

Thanks guys, it worked

How would wind effect HUD? Will try this but out of curiosity, what does FPM do?

Hi, enjoying the JF but having an issue where the higher I fly, the further to the left HUD info shifts until its almost gone, here are some pictures.

I was mistaken, disregard

What happened to 27ETs, their seeker range has been demolished, was this intentional and if so, why?

I realize that, but a HMS and PL-10E is much different than a full radar retrofit as on the 17B, the J-10A for instance having been retrofitted to carry PL-10s.

I read that some JF-17B block II will be retrofitted with KLJ-7A and PL-15s at some point, with that in mind, how likely would it be for our block I to get a new HMS and PL-10Es and if that did happen, would Deka add it?

J-10A/B share nearly identical cockpit layouts with the JF-17, also the 10B was made in very few numbers as a stopgap for the 10C so it might be possible.

Oh dear, should definitely post your findings

I'm really hoping for Su-30MKK, J-10A/B. Would happily take a J-7G/J-8II as well though Others you mentioned would be neat as well though I think Deka mostly does China adjacent aircraft.

ED has mentioned there are still four new modules/maps to be announced and Deka has said JF-17 will be leaving early access soon as well as their FB page saying they are working on next project. Do you think they will announce soon and if so, what would you like to see?

If it's real gotta let Deka know lol

Same, A is more likely, but B is ideal. I can do a J-10A topic as well, should I?

Should I do J-10A next?

Hello friends, decided to make this post for everyone's consideration as and for Deka to consider for a down the road project. For this post I'm focusing on early block 10Bs with PL-8B, PL-12, PESA radar and AL-31FN or WS-10B engine. This topic is once again more for consideration and discussion than a fully-fledged request. This much improved J-10 variant made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine. The improvements include a DSI/"Bump" inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a new indigenous IRST/LR in front of the canopy, a white IFR probe light on the starboard side of the nose, a JF-17 style glass cockpit with a wide-angle holographic HUD, three large color MFDs. The new IRST allows passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B stealthier in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, housing a new fire-control radar which is thought to be an X-band PESA developed by the 607 Institute (track 10, engage 4 simultaneously), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. It was rumored that initially the aircraft was planned to be fitted with an AESA developed by the 14th Institute but the radar was not ready by the time the aircraft was in production. An ECM antenna can also be seen right in front of the canard foreplane on the 1035 prototype. The tip of vertical fin was redesigned as well, featuring a long compartment housing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system connected via an optic HSDB, ranging from radar to EW system. Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2 or PL-10x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the dual missile launch rails) are carried. However it is still unclear if it can carry the latest PL-15 AAM. For CAS missions, it is expected to carry 2 KD-88/88A AGMs, or 2 JG-500 LGBs, or 2 new JG-500B 500kg LGBs. 2 YJ-91s can be carried for SEAD missions. The laser designator pod is thought to be K/JDC01A. A K/RKL700A ECM pod can also be carried underneath the engine air intake for enhanced EW capability. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype (1033) first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes were tested at CFTE. An indigenous WS-10B turbofan engine was tested for some time on 1035 in 2011 but did not proceed forward. J-10B is likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. In March 2013 the 1031 prototype was seen with ECM antennas installed ahead of the canard foreplanes similar to those onboard 1035, which represents the final configuration before the production. The production of J-10B finally started in 2013 after the delivery of a new batch of AL-31FN Series 3 engines (13.7t with A/B). By May 2015 around 53 01 batch J-10Bs had been produced and the delivery started in 2014, possibly to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base, PLAAF 5th Brigade and the 61st Brigade (S/N 78x1x, 61x6x, 66x7x, 67x2x, 78x7x?). Meanwhile a further upgraded variant (J-10C) with an AESA radar was under development. Recent images (September 2015) indicated that the improved WS-10B turbofan with FADEC has been installed onboard the last two J-10Bs of the 01 batch (#0155 & 0156, S/N 78x1x?), suggesting the engine has finally overcome the reliability issues and is ready to power the remaining batches of J-10Cs. J-10B was officially unveiled at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow, carrying dual PL-12 missile launch rails. A recent image (December 2017) indicated that a new WS-10B3 turbofan engine with a stealth sawtooth TVC nozzle was tested onboard the J-10B #1034 engine testbed. The test results could be beneficial to the current J-20 project. First flight occurred on December 25, 2017. The latest image (December 2020) indicated that some J-10Bs started to wear a new low-visibility PLAAF insignia and serial number. Their IFF antennas were also upgraded. DSI/Bump Inlet, domestic IRST(right side of nose) and ECM antennae forward of canards and near the top of the vertical stabilizer. Rear MAWS sensor under parachute boom. J-10B with AL-31FN. J-10B with WS-10B. Possible K/JDC01A target designation pod/FLIR (top) and K/RKL700A ECM pod (bottom). So, why the J-10B and not C/A? I chose the J-10B as, like the F-16C Blk 50 we have this 10B is right in that middle area in terms of modern equipment and also has the potential to be upgraded down the line should Deka only be able to do an early version. For instance, should Deka add this aircraft it would come with a PESA radar, PL-12, PL-8B and PL-10 missiles and the Saturn AL-31FN Series 3 or WS-10B engine and later be upgraded (if possible) with an AESA radar, PL-15 and 10 missiles and WS-10 engine just to name a few. General Statistics. J-10B: Crew: 1 Length: 16.9 m (55 ft 5 in) Wingspan: 9.8 m (32 ft 2 in) Height: 5.7 m (18 ft 8 in) Wing area: 37 m2 (400 sq ft) Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb)(?) Max takeoff weight: 17,236 kg (41,887 lb) Fuel capacity: 4950 L (3860 Kg) internal. 4000 L (3120 Kg) external with 3 drop tanks (2x1600L + 1x800L)l Powerplant: 1 × WS-10B afterburning turbofan engines, 89.17 kN (20,050 lbf) thrust dry, 137 kN (30,798 lbf) with afterburner (?) or AL-31FN Series 3 76.19 kN (17, 129 lbf) thrust dry (?), 134.3 kN (30,200 lbf) with afterburner. Performance: Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 (1.5 fully loaded) Stall speed: 200 km/h (120 mph, 110 kn) Range: 2,500 km (1,600 mi, 1,300 nmi) Combat range: 1,240 or 2,600 km (with AAR)(770 or 1,620 mi, 670 or 1,400 nmi) Ferry range: 2,950 km (1,833 mi) Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,000 ft) g limits: +9/-3 Wing loading: 381 kg/m2 (78 lb/sq ft) Armament Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23 Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 2× under-intake and 3× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 5600 kg of external fuel and ordnance Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods Missiles: Air-to-air missiles: PL-8 PL-10 PL-12/12A Air-to-surface missiles: KD-88 YJ-91 Bombs: Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2) Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A) Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1) Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg Others: Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time Avionics PESA radar. External: K/JDC01A targeting pod . KL700A ECM pod. AL-31FN. WS-10B Radar Warning Receiver, not clear on if same model used on J-10B.

Thats great to know for now though WS-13E is barely even viable for the III, RD-93MA may come first although 13E would be ideal.

Can you post the study? R-27ER flight is mostly ok from what I know, I'm more concerned with guidance, it can be notched as easily as a Sparrow. And for R-77 guidance issue is the same.

How did you reach this conclusion.

A little confusing, these weapons are the staple of an entire group aircraft and aren't working properly, can you explain what is more important?