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This is great guys!!! have mix will et people give a chance to select what they want to use!

Please read my last three lines on the post above you. Regards.

For 120 all the kill where done against planes without ECM / Radar and even RWR. Regarding 120B I dont have real information ... other than just a few confirmation but without confirmation how many missle have been shoot. The most important part is most of the kill have not been done under BVR but in WVR. U.S. has recorded ten AIM-120 kills – Four not Beyond Visual Range – Fired 13 missiles to achieve 6 BVR kills Pk = 0.46* – Iraqi MiGs were fleeing and non-maneuvering – Serb J-21 had no radar or Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) – US Army UH-60 not expecting attack; no radar or ECM – Serb MiG-29 FULCRUMS had inoperative radars – No reports of ECM use by any victim – No victim had comparable BVR weapon – Fights involved numerical parity or US numerical superiority If someone else has information on these to show other than say.. if you know where to look. But again my point was when I hear people say the AIM-7 is broken.. actually does not look at real data. I dont want to discuss on this, just trying to answer to someone. Let's get back on Blue flag.

Just looking at "facts" As for Iraq, situation was similar with its air force in both wars, with pilots usually failling to take any evasive action once radar lock occured. Thus it is logical that USAF success rate would be similar, and it was. In Desert Storm, 41 USAF aerial victories were achieved with anywhere between 5 and 16 kills made at beyond visual range. 2 kills were made with guns, 10 with IR missiles and 24 with radar-guided missiles. 88 AIM-7 shots were made, giving a Pk of 0,27. Out of 24 AIM-7 kills, at least 9 were from visual range. For F-15Cs, 12 AIM-9 launches resulted in 8 kills (Pk 67%), and 67 AIM-7 launches resulted in 23 kills (Pk 34%). It should be noted that F-16s made 36 AIM-9 launches, of which at least 20 were accidental due to poor control stick ergonomy, and made 0 kills. US Navy F-14s and F-18s fired 21 AIM-7s for one kill (Pk 4,8%), and 38 AIM-9s for two kills (Pk 5,3%). As it can be seen, Pk for missiles fired by multirole F-16s and F-18s (0% and 5%) was far lower than that of missiles fired by singlerole F-15s (67% WVRAAM and 34% BVRAAM), suggesting that pilot training is the primary factor in missile performance. Relative Pk of IR WVRAAM and RF BVRAAM fired by air superiority aircraft stayed same as in Vietnam, with IR WVRAAM Pk twice that of RF BVRAAM. DCS AIM-7 is over powered the sames AIM120... less than 45% PK in reality for the 120.. against non maneuverable planes with no RWR or ECM and FYI one was a UH-60... Actual data against planes with RWR /ECM & Chaff: "A more recent Operation Southern Watch engagement occurred on January 5th, 1999 when two Iraqi MiG-25s violating the southern “no-fly” zone illuminated two F- 15Cs with their BVR radar.xxiv The F-15s responded by firing three AIM-7 Sparrows and one AIM-120 AMRAAM. All missiles missed. Subsequently, two Navy F-14s fired two AIM-54 Phoenix missiles at the two MiG-25s. Despite the Phoenix being the most expensive—and supposedly most capable—air-to-air radar-guided missile ever made, both missed. The violating MiG-25s escaped to fight another day."

Thanks a LOT!

I can confirm that not all of the M-IIIE had RWR. For example the M-IIIEA did not have RWR .

Ivan if you read correctly on other of your post, you said you were a MIII driver. Question where is integrated the RWR in the E version? because I'm looking all the images of the cockpits of the mirage and I'm not able to find anything that resembles a RWR. Is integrated in the radar scope with "lights"?

FYI not all the E has RWR

Is the C. If it was the E the cabin will start at air intake due the extra electronics installed behind the seat.

If it helps the guy was from Morocco, spamming at around 23:00 EST time.

I'm in love. My true French lady! French defa kills for everyone! MaVA & Red I will have to switch and leave the t-Rex for the M3

Agree, I'm not asking for equality... FYI there are not many tanks on Blue flag...

Well.. A10A I don't is much to ask if you are asking the same to get the a25a... Now if you are going think on the community then my post has not point as is trying to get an event the closest possible to an era with what ED give us.

What is the difference ? Let keep thing with a consistence... A10A SU25A

The C is is Y2K era. I would not.. because has systems that were not present. If you add the C then it will be fair for RED to add the 25T and KA50.

Do we have the good things that we had in round 5? Transport fuel for Helis? CSAR missions? It will be nice to be back on an actual War effort. Things that I will add to make it more than just Frag simu: - limited Stores that needs to be transported by helis. - no AI planes - DATALINK, something that Migs and SU had since on the seventies. - Only 80's missiles. - Better air defenses on bases. - No Alt f11 Camera... - No messages - Kills or take off of any kind. - Blue: A10a, F15, M2000, UH1, Gazelle without HOTs as 3 were in 1998... - Red: Su27, 29, 21, L39, Mi8, Su25A.

I will rise this question, Why not eliminate the AI aircraft and maybe to balance it bump up the AA ground defense? The AI planes at this moment kills / negate the rwr already limited functionality of the Russian hardware.

Lol OldE for your amusement

And started! Red, defend the Blue "join slow" hordes!!!!

If they keep the Mirage in Red they needs to let us know because I will stop being a mercenary on the Blue side! :smilewink:

Hey when are you guys flying these Korean beauties ?

What a Shame...

Awesome feedback from the pilots. I love the module and how it flies. Eagerly waiting for the updates on load outs as I think it could be a really good addition to mp environment.

Looking at the symbology it seems is in PIC and not in PID If it was TWS PID, the contact should a Chevron, and is not in the capture...

What I mean is that you see another echo from another contact that crossed the beam of the radar.