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No, it scans automatically. Passive stuff just looks for the direction and position of incident radiation. The more crap you send it the better. EODAS resolution lower than human eye? Surely range is superior.

Russia's Deadly S-500 Air-Defense System: Ready for War at 660,000 Feet | The National Interest Blog The Russian military expects to receive the first examples of the new Almaz Antey S-500 air and missile defense systems in the near future. Meanwhile, tests are continuing on the advanced S-350 Vityaz system, which will eventually replace the existing S-300PS air defense batteries. “We expect the first samples of the S-500 anti-aircraft missile system to be delivered soon,” Lt. Gen. Viktor Gumyonny, commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces’ air defense troops, told Rossiya-24 according to TASS. The new weapon—which will form the upper tier of Russia’s layered integrated air defense system—is expected to be able to engage targets at altitudes of about 125 miles—or 660,000 feet. That means that S-500 will be able to engage targets such as incoming ballistic missiles in space at ranges as great as 400 miles. The first regiment of S-500 will be deployed to protect Moscow and central Russia. The S-500 is expected to able to detect and simultaneously attack up to ten ballistic missile warheads flying at speeds of twenty-three thousand feet per second. It is also reportedly being designed to use hit-to-kill interceptors—a design with similarities to Lockheed Martin's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system. Like all modern Russian air defense systems, the S-500 is expected to be highly mobile and will use a network of radars for targeting over vast distances. The missile system is expected to use the 91N6A(M) battle management radar, a modified 96L6-TsP acquisition radar, as well as the new 76T6 multimode engagement and 77T6 ABM engagement radars, according to Missile Threat—which is run by the George C. Marshall and Claremont Institutes. Meanwhile, the Russian military is already testing the S-350 Vityaz mid-tier mobile air and missile defense system. The new weapon will replace the older S-300PS and complement systems like the Buk-M3, S-300VM4, S-400 and S-500. “Tests of the S-350 Vityaz anti-aircraft missile system are currently ongoing,” Gumyonny said. “The first launches have been successful and the system has proved its characteristics and will be used on a large scale for the replacement of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system.” The S-350 is built around a new advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and a new mobile command vehicle. A normal battery would include command vehicle, two radars and eight launch vehicles. The S-350 uses the same active radar-guided hit-to-kill interceptors as the S-400—and can engage targets at ranges of 75 miles at altitudes of about 100,000ft. It can engage 16 targets simultaneously while a total of 32 missiles at any one time. The Russians are expected to network the S-500s with their S-400, S-300VM4 and S-350 and other weapons as part of an overall integrated air-defense network. As one U.S. industry official noted, while the Russian military industrial sector suffered greatly in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union, somehow Moscow managed to continue developing advanced air defense system without much degradation in capability. Indeed, some of these new weapons—like the S-500—are so capable that many U.S. defense official worry that even stealth warplanes like the F-22, F-35 and the B-2 might have problems overcoming them.

LOCKHEED: DOD EYEING POSSIBLE EXTENDED-RANGE THAAD PROGRAM IN FY-17 - 2015 The Pentagon formally commissioned Lockheed Martin last fall to explore the feasibility of developing a new variant of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense interceptor capable of shooting down hypersonic weapons as well as destroying ballistic missiles at greater distances -- eyeing the launch of a new program as soon as fiscal year 2017, according to a Lockheed executive. Last fall, the Missile Defense Agency awarded Lockheed a $2 million study contract to flesh out a design concept and shape requirements for a potential extended-range variant of THAAD, which would add a new two-stage booster system to the current THAAD interceptor, according to Doug Graham, Lockheed Martin vice president of advanced programs for strategic missile defense systems. "We're working with them [MDA] to essentially define the concept to put us in a position to start development of the [THAAD-ER] program in the future," Graham told InsideDefense.com in an exclusive Jan. 7 interview. "We're looking toward the start of a formal program in the FY-17 or FY-18 time frame," Graham said, adding that timing is a matter for MDA to determine and will be shaped in large part by the availability of funds for a new program. Rick Lehner, an MDA spokesman, confirmed the $2 million project. "Lockheed Martin completed the study and delivered it to MDA for evaluation, which is now ongoing," Lehner said in a Jan. 8 statement. ^ Apparently 6 THAAD-ER's per launcher, vs 8 current THAAD missiles. Prior to this release by lockheed (August, 2015), it had been reported that they may have to reduce launcher load out to 5 interceptors per THAAD launcher. Interesting incoming vehicle trajectory (below)...Should make the purpose of the upgrade quite clear.

I believe they have reduced IR signature certainly but not by anywhere near as much as the RCS is reduced because it's simply impossible for something moving through the air that fast with jet engines. IR reduction is not magical either. Supercruise doesn't stop skin friction, nor does it eliminate all exhaust heat. IR systems can spot things like jeeps, infantry and even small animals, so a huge aircraft moving at 600+mph through the air with jet engines will be a piece of cake by comparison, especially when the ambient temperature is minus several dozen degC.

Possibly but it's fairly wide angle, covers the entire frontal hemisphere with estimated 50km range against 'cooler' IR optimised fighters, and I was really assuming stealth vs stealth or non-stealth vs non-stealth or stealth vs non-stealth. A stealth aircraft would likely choose not to get that close anyway, it doesn't make any sense to. RWR is passive, so EW doesn't really work on it. Some RWRs may struggle against AESA, some may not. I'm dubious about the last point, it surely wouldn't apply to F-35 with EODAS as well as IRST.

True but I was assuming amazing enemy EW had rendered all radar homing missiles useless, just for the sake of proving that even then a dogfight won't happen.

Wouldn't happen even with a stealth aircraft. IRST won't be blind to a stealth aircraft at 10nm. No idea what that means. IRST picks up jet at 10+nm, cues ASRAAM, fire. Not all clouds are black body to IR at all wavelengths 3 to 11 µm.

The worst part is, I had my earphones in listening to music. The misses said, "what the hell was that?" I said, "huh, what was what?"

The intercept target was going from Paris to Newcastle, so the Typhoons would probably have had to fly over Yorkshire to get to it.

Deterrent Sparrow shots were indeed a tactic used even in Vietnam to force the enemy to a position of weakness pre-merge.

With the likes of AIM-9X, ASRAAM and MICA IR, how exactly do you you get a dogfight, even if all radar missiles fail? The only way I can see is if someone loses it during a routine escort. There is simply no other way of a hostile plane getting to the point of a head-to-head pass, which would mark the start of a dogfight.

Next Generation Jammer Opens a New Era of Electronic Attack | Defense Update: Although the NGJ will cover the same frequencies, it will better address current advanced and emerging threats alike, as well as the growing numbers of threats. Employing the latest digital, software-based and Active Electronically Scanned Array technologies, and Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology, NGJ will be able to dwell much higher power levels, directed simultaneously against many threats in different directions. NGJ will have the necessary power and digital techniques to counter increasingly advanced and sophisticated adversary electronic warfare search, surveillance, and targeting-radars and communications systems.

Mk82 or Mk83 (see thread title).

Monument of one at the BAE Brough site. Six test pilots killed during development.

Put MANPADS in the hands of every other enemy combatant with dense cloud cover and the A-10 will be damn near inoperable, or will spend 99% of its time worrying about its own ass.

Everyone always forgets GMLRS+, MS-SGP and ATACMS.

Raptors on Mach Loop

Raptors on Mach Loop.

Good job they were inert practice rounds. Bet anyone in the tower still shat themselves though.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/24/norwegian-fighter-jet-fires-at-control-tower-during-training.html

I'm convinced that if you upgraded the F-22 MAWS to EODAS standard except with IRST zoom and rapid scanning, an EOTS would be redundant.

So basically it's the original plan from the late '80s.:lol:

That's why I'm glad I did French at GCSE. If I'd done German these Downfall parodies wouldn't be funny.:D