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well,....can explain your point in this Bf-109 G2 Weight & balance chart?

You are right :thumbup:

The changes are less drastic than I expected. :huh: Now in the mission editor we can change the aircraft weight if we emptied the MW-50 tank, ..but this tank affects to Weight & balance only a little.. There is not big changes in elevator trim behaviour. Neutral Trim in zero, is not present in any condition of flight. contrary to the real airplane. Even when gliding out of fuel, DCS:Bf-109K4 remains with tail heavy attitude. :doh:

Any news about this? .. Will we have any weight & balance tweaks coming soon?

Sokol1_br Thanks for the info, ... but I have performed that test, days ago, in the DCSW ver1.5.3, ..and i think, that the Cessna trim handwheel must work with more real time imput, ..like the a/c control stick or throttle. I've performed the test in a slider control axis, of my Joystick, (i've got a two throttles joystick) in DCS 1.5.3 , and I´ve suffered some lag, about 2 or 3 seconds, from the input position in the Joy. slider control lever. We haven´t that lag in the throttle control, because it works with direct input. Usually when i am fliying, i see the trottle lever in the aircraft with a bit rattling, becouse the Joysctick axis have a bit "noise", and DCSW, have not axis noise filter as IL2-BoS. Now the a/c Trim handwheel in DCW1.5.3 have a input filter, ..but we can not configure the response. Somebody can check this issue in DCSW 2 alpha?

Gents ! I see today New update of DCS 2.0.1.50747.33 ALPHA ..With improvement for DCS:Bf-109K4 I haven't the NEVADA map.. .. Somebody could check if Cessna trim handwheel works properly in the K4 now? :joystick: I would appreciate any information about this issue. thanks :thumbup:

I checked this, in ver 1.5.3, with elevator trim in my Joystick second throttle axis, and no worked properly, There is a time lag between joy lever movement, and handwheel movement. I suppose that Saitek Cessna trim wheel could not work properly.

New update beta 1.5.3.50355.19 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2681227&postcount=14 Flaps bug fixed, thank you E.D. :thumbup:

Bf-109 is tail-heavy on the ground, due to wheels axis is advanced with respect to the CoG. The Bf-109 is not tail-heavy when flying. All fast planes are nose-heavy by design, and especially when the plane is gliding. This is the weight and balance chart of Bf-109G2 trop

Yes it is a Bug. :music_whistling: I have similar problem when start the game with the desktop resolution, lower than 1920x1080px. In the DCSW 1.2 the game start in the screen resolution selected previously in the game settings menu. Now in DCSW 1.5, if you have the windows desktop in 1440x900px, the game no change the screen resolution to 1920x1080px. when starting. :cry: I usually change the desktop resolution to 1920x1080px before start the DCSW game, if i forget this, .. I must perform a forced close of the game using the task manager because is imposible the normal exit procedure. the Exit button is missing in the screen.

Neutral = NO nose-heavy and NO tail-heavy In a real Bf-109 in normal flight you must set the elevator trim to ZERO, (as previus pictures shown) At the moment there are NOT speed or power setting, that the DCS:BF-109K4 can flight in "neutral" condition with trim in ZERO. That is not correct. Yo-Yo said that "no need to ask about bricks".. and the bricks are there, and he don´t know it.

The bf-109G4 of Klaus Plasa is very nose-heavy (No weapons or armor plates installed), and 3 ballast bricks (30Kg) was installed in the tail, for centering the CoG. It seems there are many things that Klaus Plasa has not told you. yes or No?

Do you have a video about that interview? Klaus Plasa told you something about the 3 bricks and the GoG in the Bf-109G4?? :music_whistling: If it's true this that you say now, ..the Manual of DCS: BF-109K4 is wrong? Zero is the "normal" trim position, yes or Not??

really? The picture was taken by John Dibbs from an OV-10 Bronco or SKYVAN Are you sure?? :music_whistling: If this system is so bad .. why all Airbus have this system?

Curiously, For Bf-109 G4, the estabilizer trim position in "normal flight" is "zero" and that is "neutral", as you can see in these photos (which are, stabilizer trim check marks) photos taken in flight formation. The marks from upper to down are +2º, +1º, 0, and -6º in this aircraft.

I have re-reading the DCS Bf-109K4 manual, ...and now i have the doubt ..E.D. developer team are the same that have editing this manual? why the behavior of K4 in DCS is diferent than they explain in the manual? someone has nose-heavy momment enough to trimming -3 with flaps fully down (Landing gear up), in level flight? :music_whistling:

I have read comments of Spanish pilots who had flown the Bf-109 and HA-1112 state that drum brakes of Me-109´s was not powerful compared with other aircraft. This may be a subjective opinion of the pilots due to the aircraft no nose-over easily when breaking unlike other airplanes. But like Jcomm, say previously, Erich Brunotte stated that Bf-109 brakes work perfectly if the airplane have a good maintenance, and i´m sure it was true. ;)

I agree again with Bongodriver in that, Flight Controls is a basic thing. but, Many others aircraft devices are important in a fighter when you go to fight against others enemies planes. That is the main difference with MS Flight Simulator, weapons, combat flaps, slats etc. and the best performance is needed for combat. Not only for take-off and landing.

I agree with TheGozr. IMO the Ver.1.5 has improved graphic quality, but lack of reflections effects, makes it harder spotting contacts than reality. Some friends who are RL pilots are agree with me, about this issue in this sim.

I agree with bongodriver;, .. The actual (ver 1.5 too) trim handwheel model in our Bf-109K4 is not the best way. It´s should work like the P-51 trim axis. This model with up and down keys is only valid for Fw-190 D9 which have electric control switch for trim in the real aircraft.

Firstly, pull the red handle (top left of the main panel) for to eject the canopy (you can set it in a key too), then bail out with the appropriate key (Crtl+E by default)

You are right, ..thanks, ..edited and corrected. :thumbup:

I hate the lies, and the liers ... and you? :music_whistling: You are overlooking a very important things in this test, in the "conclusions " last pages. -Page 16. " Unlike the idle dives, it was not possible to hold the angle of dives at full throttle with the same trim setting, cause the upward torque of the engine. Trim tabs were set to nose heavy to reach a similar force development, like in idle dives." in consequence... 1/ Bf-109 upward torque of the engine, is a force in nose-up direction when flying at full throttle, which disappear when cut the throttle, and the aircraft becoming to nose-heavy. In DCS Bf-109K4, the engine torque in flight, only affect to roll axis, not to pitch axis, there are not upward or downward torque forces. ..That is wrong, my friend ! :huh: 2/ Fixed Trim tabs are capable to enhanced the the elevator trim behavior, as necessary. 3/And the most important thing, ...According with the charts result of the tests, (pages 17 & 18.) the Bf-109 is capable to flight trimmed full nose-down, at 850Km/h TAS (and more), with NO force in the Stick (IAS Va = 745 km/h at 3.8 km alt). "After peeling off,force into direction “pull” because this trim setting is nose heavy at cruising speed, when the speed increase “push” to keep the plane at the angle of dive till TAS Vw = 850 km/h was reached, then the force was reducing till zero reached. After this the plane was pulled out of the dive just using the stick. (Chart)" Obviously, + 1º15' trim setting, is the best configuration for recovering a full throttle dive in a Bf-109, but this is NOT the optimal setting, for cruise power, with a lower upward torque than full throttle. ;) I have sufficiently clarified my point with this?? :smilewink: edited: VW=TAS, ..the label was wrong originally in the document.

have you read the Bf-109F diving test (in english) ?? http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/Diving_Test_109F_W.Nr.9228_ger_eng.pdf .. Is capable the actual DCS:Bf-109K4 of recover a 80º dive at 906Km/h TAS (Mach 0.80) with trim at 1º 15' as the real airplane?? Please, try to do it and share the track.:music_whistling:

If you are fliying hands off in cruise and aircraft is pitching up in neutral trim position, you're not in the right cruise speed for that airplane. And you have a lot of drag, and i´m afraid you are wasting fuel. But YES in the Bf-109. for trim neutral position, bending the fixed elevator trim tabs. If you are flying in a single engine airplane with neutral trim selected, and the airplane take a nose-up attitude, probably you are not flying at trimmed cruise power, or you have not calculated the weight & balance properly. :smilewink: