Airj247

I'm an idiot, this whole time I've been gunning it full max throttle not realizing that's why I fell out of the air trying to land.

TPOD isn't finished yet, it's limited in capabilities right now.

I want an F-111, MY GOD THAT PLANE LOOKS SEXY! Not to forget, this would give the Mig-21 an era accurate plane to intercept

God damn, that missile is fired so far away you could land the plane before it reaches you lol

Nozzle degree of 81-83 area will do fine when hovering so aim for that area.

I think the good part about this is that we all have a lot of time to decide. So no need to rush buying it right now. (especially if you can't afford it)

Looks fake, though it could be real. I'm surprised that I didn't hear about this till now. I'm no military expert but like many people have said, it only takes a good person at the computer to make that video. The fact it is in FLIR and not the usual cellphone Allah yelling thing seems fishy. I've also seen articles claiming it was a Tornado.

I can't count how many times I've had a heart attack in this plane thanks to no missile warning system.

I understand everything is wip, when I was trying to drop gbu-12s on a lased target in ccip, the solution/bombing reticle went towards the top of the hud even when in a dive. I don't understand the problem as I have been able to do this before.

Gotta share my appreciation for Razbam, you guys have done a stellar job in delivering a great module. I look forward to more features being added and the bugs being squashed.

Having a wide reach could propel the sim to new heights.

I have now looked over the manual, (since I got time now) I'm going to answer all your questions in short, there is too much info to type, I can affirm it does contain useful info. I'll answer in the order you asked. 1)Flight controls;- So how do they work? Well that's pretty vague but generally the aircraft uses a Fly-by-wire system using the flight controls hydraulic system. 2)Control surfaces on the wing, are the "flaperons" ? "elevons"? The manual descrives them as elevons as they control pitch and roll. 3)Are the vertical tails used as Rudders or "elevons"? The manual describes them as used only for directional control. 4)How does the aircraft know AOA, side slip? Using those four probes at the front of the aircraft, sensors send info to the FLCC which then uses that to know the current AOA nad side slip. 5)What hydraulic system drive the control surfaces? There are two hydraulic pumps, powered by the engines (in short, its pretty lengthy.) 6)What are the back ups? This is really vague, but what I found interesting is that besides the primary mechanical quadruple system, there is no mechanical backup flight control system. (pretty vague question so I just assumed) 7)Does it use flaps? Speedbrakes? Nope All these answers were found using this link to the manuals (possibly incomplete I am no expert) http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/lockheed/f-117nighthawk.html

nvm don't read this I messed up (if anyone can delete this plz go right ahead)

I don't know what you have against the plane but that's none of my business, but attacking me and treating ME like I'm an idiot cause I like a certain plane is a little unfair. I respect your opinion of the plane enough not to try and make you look idiotic in front of others or attack you. For goodness sake we all here like aviation. Of course the F-117 has limitations, that's to be expected. (I've said that so much) I never intended on trying to argue with you or downplay your knowledge of the aircraft. A little ounce of respect is all I ask. I don't understand why you're treating me as if I'm a villain. When you say no radios, the plane has radios to use, but when flown over enemy area its all silent to avoid detection (from what I've read through manuals and other sources) Reading through the manuals in the link I provided, they do give a lot of information on the systems of which you asked in a previous post (I think). Reading through the manual I'm discovering things about the plane I didn't even know!

Wow, would love to see this in the sim, just so you know you already have my guaranteed purchase of the aircraft.

I have no clue if this has been talked about I may have missed it. But what about the SU-24, it is multicrew, swept wing and adds another Russian aircraft which DCS needs.

I'm just a guy in his basement, if I had the money or the capability to make a plane for DCS, of course I would be interested in making a module for DCS. I'm no F-117 expert and I'm going if stuff I've found. I would assume since you worked in the airplane you would know all these questions you asked. So saying "I'm not being a smart ass." Yes you are trying to be a smart ass and down play my comments. I am no military aviation expert. I was just going off BASIC info I have found online. And I don't doubt the manuals from 1992 have all those answers if you were to read them. Saying it's a one trick pony your being very generalistic, but when it comes to other planes you want to be specific in its roles. The CE2 of course you can fly an air show with it but so can you do that with the F-117. And guess what, you can race others as well with the F-117. So if you want to be so specific, the F-117 isn't a one trick pony.

A10's, F15C's and more are still flying. The F-117 was declassified in 2013, very little things are still classified cause they are used on other aircraft still in use.

F-104, seems pretty cool but if we were to get early variants it would be pretty limited. The F-104G would be more ideal. BUT, we need more eastern aircraft. We've got too many western aircraft coming or already here.

The F15C is also a one trick pony, no one can say "oh but it does one job" cause so does other aircraft we got in DCS. For Christ sake we are getting the Christian Eagke 2. I just think that flying over enemy territory knowing that I could be shot down any minute seems like it could be entertaining. No one flies the A10C like it is used in real life. In reality the plane may takeoff, fly to its area of operations, loiter in the air for an hour or so, then rtb. While in DCS that would kill the fun factor. Just saying that there already are aircraft with one job that people love and it really isn't a boring aircraft. Im not here to try and "sell" it to you. I just like the plane and thought it could add something different to DCS.

Wow would you look at that. Idk it was just a thought that occurred to me today, some people like certain things others don't. I know this plane would be an instant buy for me, while others may give it the cold shoulder. Just like how some like ww2 planes or trainers, and some don't.

Not everyone has the same definition of fun. Luckily we have been blessed with a mission editor to change the conditions best suited for the aircraft, Who the bloody hell would create a mission where they couldn't fly. As for the radios rwr and etc. So be it, the plane survived (except the one) you never use planes weaknesses, I know I never try to dog fight SU27 and 33's in a A10. Of course I'm just having wishful thinking, this is the wish list thread after all. As for mp servers not always being set to night, well sadly that's true not many mp servers are set to night, sadly that's a limitation. But then again not all servers allow ww2 aircraft. If I were to buy the P51 I wouldn't whine that I can't fly it on the 104th. As for it being useless, luckily it doesn't take half an hour to develope the plane, probably a year or two. So in two years DCS could be very different, it might not. I can't predict the future.

Just want to point out that I know that you usually would use the F-117 on long range pin point strike missions but isn't that the same with the aircraft we already have. With A10 strike missions everything is preplanned as well, same with all other strike aircraft. But they aren't used like that cause people just go out and blow up everything they see. When your playing blue flag or another multiplayer mission of sorts, you plan what target you want to attack and which way is deemed safe. So saying "You just take off and fly the planned route" isn't accurate for DCS. So many things could happen along the way. Planning your mission to avoid sams and being detected is a major part, so for a pilot who owns this module, planning his/her mission is just as important as carrying it out. Which I think would be pretty cool.

Yes, I'm probably insane for suggesting the aircraft. But come on, like seriously who wouldn't want to own this plane as a module? Of course people have been for and against the aircraft like any other aircraft when being considered for DCS. Some arguments for: It's the bloody F-117A Nighthawk! It is "stealthy" (in a way) New Feature for DCS (like multicrew, swept wings, A2G radar, VSTOL, and probably more) It's the bloody F-117A Nighthawk! Look at that cockpit! Most of the aircraft was built with already made parts, it used non afterburning F/A-18A engines (from what I read that could be false.) It isn't invincible, the "stealth is good against high frequency radars but not low. One was shot down and another was damaged badly. It was kept secret for 7 years Usual arguments against (And counter arguments) "Its used for one thing." (yeah, BUT that ONE thing is engaging and requires lots of skill by the pilot, and the warthog is a ground pounder, it's only use in DCS, the F15C is pure air-to-air) "Its super classified." (No, it isn't, was declassified in 2013, the only things unknown is the radar absorbing material, data link is as well but because that is still used in other aircraft, but guesses in DCS aircraft are not uncommon) "You would never get the rights to make it!" (The A10C is still in use but we have that in the game so point is invalid, only special thing is stealth but the F-117 uses different tactics than say the F-35) "It can't maneuver!" ( It isn't like a F15 or SU27 but it isn't helpless when it comes to maneuverability, the nickname "Wobblin Goblin" comes from the early prototype stage of the project which was corrected later, it still isn't a F15 though) "Useless in multiplayer."(No it's not, those high value targets could prove their worth in the long run like on blue flag, don't fly the damn thing on 104th and go head first towards a SU or F15, the F-117 could prove its worth in multiplayer) "Limited payload."( While two Gbu-12's seem little, the F-117 is remarkably accurate and when in an area of great threat, you won't want to loiter in the area for that long, PLUS if you want 10 bombs go fly the A10, that's what its purpose is for. It promotes skill and being smart with your payload) "No AA weapons" (well then don't get in those engagements, or get a friend or two to escort you.) And here's some manuals for a start, they may not be complete and may require more knowledge and documents http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/lockheed/f-117nighthawk.html So I'm prepared to be roasted and slapped around but I believe the F-117 could be a fun and enjoyable module in DCS. I know all module developers have projects on their plates already but I'm just putting seeds down hoping something would grow. :thumbup: edit: was testing the links

Of course I would love a more capable F5 (who wouldn't), it is my favorite module for DCS by far. But BST has their plate full for a while.