M0ltar

Do you mind saying what it is that they did? Why is it an issue when people bring stuff up they don't like? First people hate on RvE because they say we stack the teams That discussion happened in game chat). Now people say we complain about something. Yes, I brought it up because I thought it was something that needed looked at and that led me to then agree with Frostie that all of these things that are being added and curtailed are the issue instead. I even said why it was there in the first place, because the flanker takes longer to refuel, even though you think I somehow missed that point. You need to read the entire discussion before you post nonsense and admit yourself that you use exploits. Also, if you consider us using bags to refuel, if this is what you mean for the RvE guys using exploits to refuel faster, you need to look at your own team and look at the posts they are writing. They are telling blue to take bags and use them as fuel instead of waiting for a refuel. At least when they refuted the point they gave reasons, that I listened to mind you, instead of the cesspool that your spewing. Again, would love to know what the exploit you saw us RvE guys using. The discussion, no matter how trivial you think they are, can and do lead to other more constructive conversations. If you are going to complain and say that its annoying etc that someone is complaining about something at least add something constructive to the conversation instead of just saying that someone is cheating. On top of that, this guy is saying that he is using an exploit in the game to refuel faster. How is that OK no matter what team you are on or for what reason? Sort of same thing here... Since you guys do get the extra 20% fuel at this point, can we do something about the exploit that people use to get fuel faster, i.e. they break there gear on the ground after respawn, repair and get the fuel from the repair instead of actually refueling and are then at 100% fuel. I thought people did it, but now I know because you have people like kobeshow admitting to it. I know not everyone does it, but there are at least a few. Can we just ban people that use in game exploits, esp[ecially people that admit to it? I don't care if they are RvE or not, exploiting has no place in any game especially one like this. Lastly, GGTheros, I think you are right. I just get worked up with all the restrictions that get put on because the admins are trying to make things 'even'. Thinking about it more, I think I was actually more irritated with things being different on each team and things being nerfed to try and make things 'eve' overall.

I never said that. Im saying they can't compete with SU27's or 29's with bags on and even then the fuel flow rate is very slow so if you jettison you're done, but if you keep them on you turn like a blimp. You also named things that you have a disadvantage in, but there are several things they you guys have that the F15's don't. The reason you don't have datalink is because there are no AWACS (at least that is how I understand it). Id like it all to be included for all the jets. Stop primping things to make one side even over the other. Each side has its advantages and disadvantages, let them play out and people mold strategies to deal with the pros and cons. Before too long with all the restrictions, its just going to be gun vs gun because everything else is unfair. Im sure someone will be able to find a reason why one gun is better than the other though.

I have to say though, blue abuses the respawning thing on the ground just as much as red does.

Was in a heated discussion with someone on the server about getting killed by a Su27 when we were attacking an airfield. I complained that the SU27 starting with 20% fuel allows them to get into the air without refueling. People will say Im sure, 'well moltar, they can't do anything with 20% fuel' well they can and do when the fight is directly over the airfield when CAS is attacking etc. The person I was arguing with brought up that this whole fight (blueflag) is about asymmetry. Well, if that is the case, then why does the SU27 start with fuel and the F15 doesn't? The SU27 vs F15 is the only matchup that has anything like this in the entire server. I don't see this compensation with CAS or helicopters when there are differences in those air frames. Yes, I know that this was put in so that both aircraft can get in the air at the same time with 100% and that is great, but it does not stop people from taking off with 20% to defend an airbase. EVen if they shoot one person down, that one person has to then come 100nm when they get to respawn right below where they died. Yes I know the F15 can take bags and go from there, but its a pig if you do that and can and will stall. Why are things being compensated in that way if the whole point of this round was to make things east for west? By the way, I want a discussion about this and not a sh*t show that normally happens.

Ok, I can get behind that. I think the reason they don't want to do that is because of the timezone disparity and limiting players for a certain timezone. I agree it would be a better experience with a player limit.

Everyone can think what they want, but the team that is losing is always the one complaining in this thread. It happened with blue with the KA50 and now its red with numbers. With your logic, all red has to do is join and this push will stop. As I type this there are 5 open slots in the server so all red needs to do is join. I know you have the number to fill the server because during the first night of your push there were 30-40 reds on.

Here we go again with the other side now that blue is pushing complaining about numbers. The last time red pushed the majority of the time they had numbers. It seems to me that whatever side is getting pushed is the one complaining. Its almost like the team currently losing is the one complaining.... Shocking.... The numbers switch between red and blue. Yes, blue has more, but during the last major red push when they pushed blue back to our main bases on the west coast red was posting things like where is blue, did they give up and blue had very very low numbers. From what I can tell, on both sides, you get these huge swings because a lot of the pilots just want an easy trip without dealing with the enemy. Again, this is on both sides. Not as extreme on red, but red heavily outnumber blue on the last push.

Well you failed to realize that the units already spawn at different locations when another team takes the farp. So, before you start attacking people for being wrong why don't you get your facts straight. The only time the units will spawn on top of a smoking wreck is if the location is not closed before the repair timer expires and the same team maintains control of the locations. If you start doing random spawn ins for repairs you are going to have issues with units spawning in buildings and inside trees etc.

I never said it was normal, my friend. You took my entire statement the wrong way. Second, even if you know a SAM is there it doesn't matter. You should always expect the unexpected. Just because it was a normal spawned SAM doesn't meant anything. Like I said earlier, its not hard to tell if there is a life AI in the wreck. Do it all the time. Its not hard to see a moving turret as well as a camo'd vehicle. Just because you get shot down because of something doesn't mean you need to be hostile because someone else suggests something different or not hard to engage.

All I can say is I've never had a problem with it. Its not hard to tell a black husk from a camo painted working vehicle even if part of the black shows through. If you enven remotely consider it s threat, don;t fly near it. The players that are not prepared for the random SAM are the ones that normally get shot down. ;)

This is what they have always done. The only reason this happened to you was because the vehicles at the farp or whatever you were engaging re-spawned because the AO was not taken soon enough after being engaged. Again, this is more of an 'I didn't look close enough at all the targets before engaging' kind of thing than a glitch or something wrong with the mission. This can happen in real life too before people start to complain. Enemies can and will hid in and around wrecks and broken things to obscure there identity or position.

I just want to know why you jumped shipped and joined the commies?

Im not saying that as an excuse for losing, but it does seem like whenever red pushes a lot of blue players go and hide. I think a big part of this is that blue has a ton of players that just want to fly CAS or rotor and because of this they don't want to play when red has air supremacy. On top of that when blue does has numbers the CAS is at a level that struggles to take back points. Again, just my opinion - take it or leave it.

No idea. Ive wondered the same thing. I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of the blue players being new and not liking a hard fight. Just my thoughts, could be right, could be wrong.

You're taking his conversation out of context. He was directly talking with Reaper6. Stop just crusdading to burn peoples comments. Let this thread be contructive instead of just undermining everyone. Second, I think there is an issue with the repair scripts with the airfields. A) having the airfields closed on restart when they were 40% repaired etc is crippling and is one of the reasons blue lost the east yesterday. I know this happens to red too, Im simply using this recent example. B) Im finding there is an issue in that the interceptors are included in the repair timer. Lets say we kill the AI, I fly in and attack the airfield and blow up the bunkers. The darn airfield will repair based on the timer from when the AI interceptors were destroyed and in my case repaired the bunkers 20 seconds after I started my attack. The airfield had not been touched prior to this with the exception of the interceptors. Is this intended or something that was overlooked?

First of all, no they can't. Just in the last round I watched at 2 KA50's were inbound with an MI8 farp to take it. The choppers got wrecked. I think what most people on blue have a problem with is how good Reaper is in a KA50 so they think the KA50 is this overpowered beast of a thing. Its not. Its all about how the pilot uses it and understands it just like how I use my A10C (i think). Lets forget about getting made about air frames (aside from the KA50 having the bomber ;)) and remember that its all about the pilot. Most of the people I see in the KA50 are not talented and as a result are shot down or in effective. People just assume since one pilot can do something that the thing doing it is broken and want it banned or changed.

Guys, its not that hard to close a farp or an airfield if the skies are clear. I can close a farp in 1 pass with an A10C. Rifle 6 mavericks, drop GBU 38s on buildings and urals and gun the rest. Not hard. So let's not say its not possible. Most people in the A10C have a drastic overzealous idea of how good they are and use the plane in the wrong way. If anyone wants lessons I'm down.

I don't remember you guys winning in 2 days last round. It went down to the last day didn't it? Maybe a round before round 7?

The issue is not that the A10 can or can't take out an airfield by itself, it's that its a magnet for enemy CAP and comparing the 2 is not really possible because one is fixed wing and one is rotary. The KA50, though it takes longer is nota a magnet for CAP. Yes, they can find it, but it can land and turn off and disappear from heat and radar, lift off again once the threat has passed and continue. The A10 can't do that. The KA50 is much harder to find and can call in bombers. I think if you remove the bombers from the equation from both the Gazelle and the KA50 this would no longer be an issue. Let the Hawk and L39 do what they did last round and call in the bombers. Again, this was not an issue until the KA50 could call in the bombers. Look back through this thread you'll see that that is the primary issue here. I really don't think either should be able to do it. Yes, they should be able to do it in real life, but this isn't real life. For those that argue, well shoot down the bombers, fine, but that's not my point. My point is that if you want to compare the A10 to the KA50 then give it the ability to call in bombers and Ill be happy. :)

I probably should start a clinic, shouldn't I? ;) Id love to teach it and I have actually offered it.

The fact of the matter is if you learn about western vs eastern doctrine on plane engineering, the western planes have aids that prevent the pilot from killing his plane. The Russian pilots are expected to be trained to not destroy their jets on their own. Im not making this up if you don't know already. This is something that the Russian designers intended for the aircraft. They expect the pilot to know the limits instead of having aids to stop them.

He did say in his post that the MI8 should NOT be able to call in bombers because of its lack of sensors.

F15 pilots int he sim blackout all the time due to over g. I know the Su27 breaks its wings, but that is real. I think there was a conversation about this either in this thread or the FC3 thread where people we saying that the F15 can actually pull really high g in real life it just decreases the life of the air frame in the long run. Can the 29 no pull unlimited g the same as the 15 can?

This is the kind of conversation I can get behind! I agree that there are some small rolling hills for airfields and I have no issue using them, but a lot of people do. I agree that It is kind of lame that the KA50 has bombers, but I am willing to deal with it because they can be shot down, but maybe we could decrease the volume that is able to be called in by setting a timer on the frequency?

If you think that, why not give a suggestion instead of flaming the person. He gave points in his argument. You provided a flame piece just meant to upset people. This is what this thread turns into. People bring something up that they think is unbalanced and people flame them for it. Why don't we instead provide reasons why its not unbalanced instead of always defaulting into the flame war that comes after. Enduro14, how do you propose we hunt helicopters when Reds entire team is overhead in CAP and we lack EOS? If blue had to take those airfields it would require, by the logic of people comparing the KA50 to the A10C, A10C's overhead. What would happen to them? They would be shot down by defending CAP.