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Are you OK? Pretty stressful time for a lot of people right now. I've been to war twice and I'm used to working out of my home. But I sympathize with people worried about their livelihoods. I'm not on lockdown where I am and can go outside for a walk. I'd suggest that for anybody if possible. All the benchmarks I posted were current with the Gamer's Nexus benchmark being the oldest from summer 2019. You mentioned CPU-Z so I looked those up. The chart I found has the 3700x but no 3800x or 3900x so I would be interested to see what your scores are. Just from memory I was able to beat 543 but my chip was binned and delidded by Silicon Lottery which I had to pay a premium for. I hope you and your family are well and in good health. https://valid.x86.fr/bench/1

When I looked through the AMD GPU driver change logs to see what all the ruckus was about is was usually for pretty obscure use cases. Like streaming on Twitch while watching Youtube while listening to Spotify kind of bugs. Something I would never do myself, but if that's what the kids are doing these days... It's important to be mindful of selection bias, i.e. the people with issues are more likely to go online and complain about it. Same thing happened to Nvidia when they released their cards a few years back.

I have to hand it to AMD's marketing people. They've got people all over Reddit and various forums pushing their products. I find this kind of fanaticism just bizarre. The following images are from the links I posted. Cinebench (which is a rendering benchmark for Cinema4D) is a common benchmark for overclocking and comparing processors. Not very applicable to gaming, but it's one of the standard benchmarks. As you can see, the 9600K has a higher score than the 3600 in the single thread test. Now in the multithreaded benchmark using all the CPU's cores the 3600 really shines over the 9600K with its SMT. That's why I recommended it if you are an engineering or art student who will actually use the cores for some kind of productivity purpose when not playing DCS. There are a couple benchmarks I've seen where the 3900 does pretty well in FPS on games like CS:GO and Rainbow 6 but that's a ~$400+ processor. Different weight class than the 3600 and 9600K. There are a couple of games from the benchmarks where those 2 are neck and neck but the majority has the 9600K with higher framerates. Now if you reference the Passmark single thread synthetic test the 3600 scores 2572 while the 9600K scores 2852. So the 9600K is objectively faster in single core performance which is what's important for DCS. It won't use more than 3 cores or Hyperthreading/SMT. Not my opinion, it's just what the data shows. I'm not sure why some people are so emotionally invested in a semiconductor corporation. One thing that AMD has going for it is you might be able to get another upgrade out of the current motherboard chipsets assuming the new CPU's keep the AM4 socket. We won't know that for sure until they are announced. Myself I'm planning on a new build by the end of the year or after both Intel and AMD's new processors are out. I'll make the decision which to use once they are released and benchmarked by objective 3rd parties. You have to be very skeptical of both companies' marketing propaganda.

No, that's what the objective data from 2019 and 2020 benchmarks shows. DCS is currently limited by single core performance and doesn't use more than 3 cores for the foreseeable future. We'd all like the new graphics engine and Vulkun build to come. But the community moderators have said not to expect it anytime soon. If you would rather support AMD for some reason, that's cool. I'm indifferent and don't have any particular emotional loyalty to a company. I make decisions based on the available data. Multiple benchmarks from multiple sources show the same thing. AMD Ryzen 5 are better for rendering, video editing, etc. dollar per dollar. Intel is better for games. The OP wasn't asking which corporation you like better. Rumors and Lisa Su have hinted that there will be a new generation of Ryzen out by the end of the year. It will be interesting to see the gaming performance, IPC, and clockspeed of those CPUs. As far as the 5700XT, the latest drivers are supposed to have helped with the issues people were having. When I looked in to it the bugs that AMD acknowledged were for kind of obscure cases where people had multiple monitors and were gaming, watching videos, streaming, and listening to music all at the same time. I wouldn't recommend doing that for DCS or other graphic intensive games. DCS needs all your system's resources even if you have extra cores to spare.

For DCS you want single core/single thread performance and that isn't changing anytime soon. By the time DCS has a new graphics engine that supports more than 3 cores and multithreading there will be lots of new processors to choose from. The 9600K/KF surpass even the the 3900x in single core performance, costs less, and has lower latency for gaming performance. With the proper motherboard and cooling it also has a lot of overclocking headroom. That being said, Intel should be releasing new processors in the next couple months and all the new K line will have multithreading enabled. The 10600 should be 6c/12t according to the leaks. Cost should be roughly the same. It should also turboboost to higher frequencies given adequate cooling. AMD Ryzen 5 processors are good for things like rendering in Blender, etc. Unless you are a engineering student or art student studying 3D modeling and using the rig for gaming when you aren't working, Intel is what you want for just gaming. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.pcgamer.com/best-cpu-for-gaming/ https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3489-amd-ryzen-5-3600-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-intel

Have you tried running a repair? Reverting to a previous version that you know was working? Other than that if can be difficult to diagnose without crash logs or windows dump files. What motherboard do you have? If it can run a 9400F is should be able to run a 9700K/9900K. It would need to be a "Z" mb to enable overclocking capabilities. As far as GPUs go I would be reluctant to buy new right now. Either go used or wait till the 3000 series are out. Typically the 3060/3070 would be the bang for buck models based on previous nomenclature conventions.

I think he means that he can't maintain 60 Hz so it drops the lock to 30 which is normal for Vsync.

Apologies, I misspoke. I was remembering the settings for Razer Synapse and the typical "Start when Windows Starts" and "Start Minimized" settings. They both have a similar color scheme in the GUI. I must be getting old. I was able to replicate the issue with Thrustmaster HOTAS. I honestly had never noticed it before. You can still force it to sleep manually, but it's not automatic. Same for screensaver. I usually keep a rotating desktop image from ones I've downloaded to a folder with desktop icons off and with the taskbar set to hide automatically and use that as my screensaver. Regardless, if you aren't using it, it's just bloatware. Shadowplay does work well for recordings though. I like the instant replay feature where you can save the last X minutes that you specify and you can adjust the bit rate for quality/file size.

I like to use GeForce Experience as it takes really good screenshots and recordings. You can adjust the settings where it doesn't start on boot, and/or just close the program when not using it so it's not in your system tray. It's not a bug. Our computers only do what we tell them to do whether the user is aware of it or not. That being said if you aren't using it you can remove it without any issues when gaming, just be sure to check for new drivers manually every month or so.

The best possible CPU right now would be a binned 9900K, 9900KS, or 3900x from Silicon Lottery. If gaming and DCS benefited from expensive multicore workstation CPUs there would be people here with Threadrippers and X299 builds bragging about their framerates. Just throwing money at the problem will only get you so much. All the nomenclature and product lines are confusing. Once you get above $3000-$4000, more money ≠ faster framerates. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia all make high end professional components that are designed for workstations to run software like Catia and AUTOCAD. They are not intended for gaming. They are meant for advanced design, engineering, industrial/professional simulation, or AI research. Nivida makes GPUs that cost more than my whole computer did even when I had 2 2080 Ti's in SLI. They won't run DCS or other games faster than a 2080 Ti will. You can buy an Nvidia Quadro for $4000. It won't run games faster. The cost goes into drivers and support meant for engineers designing things that could kill people if they didn't work right due to an incorrect calculation. You can spend money on 128 GB RAM. It won't run games faster than 32 GB of high binned RAM that runs at high frequency and low latency. It's going to be a long time before games will use more than 64 GB of RAM. I've often wondered how Falcon NW stays in business selling such overpriced components in a fancy case. Now I see why. Over the next 6 months or so the best possible components will be the 10700K/10900K and a 3080 Ti overclocked on a custom cooling loop. Before the end of the year AMD is pushing out another gen of Ryzen that could be faster. That's all based on rumor clickbait but all 3 major companies should have new lines out by the holiday build season.

That's not a gaming CPU. That money won't get you any more performance in games. It's intended for servers. The best CPUs for gaming right now are the 9700K, 9900K or AMD's 3900x, 3950x. I would go with the 3900x if you want AMD though. The 3950x is too expensive if you are just gaming.

Whoa there buddy, put that wallet away before you hurt yourself. If you really want to spend that much money I could build you a rig with the same specs that has a custom cooling loop and overclock it as far as she'll go and still keep stable. The 10980XE is a workstation CPU not a gaming CPU. It won't beat a 9700K/9900K or a 3900x/3950x in single core performance. The only reason to buy that CPU and 128 GB RAM is if you are rendering, editing video, or some kind of scientific software for simulation and modeling. They won't make a difference while gaming. The SLI will help with 4K and AA settings but only in 2D games. VR games don't use it except for a few novelty use cases. Also, the 3000 series from Nvidia should be available within the next 6 months or so. There's a good chance new cards could be announced this month at the GPU Technology Conference. Generally speaking trying to future proof is just a waste of money. Do yourself a favor, just build it yourself with a 9700K/9900K or a 3900x and buy AMD, Nvidia, and Intel stock with the money you save. After a couple years sell your old components on Ebay and buy the best again at that time. In 8 years I wouldn't be surprised if a typical gaming CPU was 64-128 cores for < $500 in today's dollars adjusted for inflation with single core performance we can only imagine right now. And that $5000 in stock will probably have doubled several times in 8 years with dividend reinvestment.

First off, best to start a new thread rather than piggy back on this one, but no worries. To answer your question you can build an Intel 9900K/Nvidia 2080 Ti with custom cooling for <$3000. Save the rest for VR and peripherals like HOTAS and pedals. There's a site called PCPartpicker.com that's the best resource for checking compatibility and prices. Cyberpower and IBUYPOWER. There are more boutique brands but they are overpriced for what you get if you are willing to put a weekend in watching videos and reading manuals. Building a PC is pretty easy if you are technically inclined and there are vast resources at your fingertips today. It's also very satisfying turning it on and booting it up for the first time. Never gets old for me and I've been building PCs for years. That's a tougher one, I would look at some of the new satellite constellations that are going up for a long term solution. Here in the next few months Intel is supposed to be releasing a new gen of CPUs that should be faster for approximately the same price but we will have to wait for benchmarks to be sure.

DCS will never use all 8 cores with the current engine. You need to look at utilization for individual cores. DCS is constrained by performance of the core that sends the draw calls to the GPU. It will hop around but tends to settle on your fastest core if Turboboost is working properly. For me it's Core 8. I keep my core affinity at 3 cores in Process Lasso. Regardless, it should be boosting to 5.0 GHz even for short time periods at least until if hits thermal thresholds. Those are the stock boost clocks but Windows needs to be in high performance mode to get them. Ideally you want CPU (single core) and GPU at 90%+ utilization assuming you can keep temps within reasonable thresholds otherwise they will start to thermal throttle. Try to keep your CPU below 80-85 C and GPU below 84-88C for day to day gaming. For synthetic benchmarks where you are chasing scores you can push it to the thermal limits but it's not recommended for day to day gaming as it can cause degradation over time. Had a chat with some Intel engineers on a Reddit AMA about overclocking and they recommend keeping below 1.4 V and 80 C. 9900K and 2080 Ti are impressive chips out of the box but both should have overclocking headroom even on an average chip. You just have to tune them properly. Since you are playing VR and not constrained by the 60 fps cap of TrackIR you want to give her all she's got as Scotty would say. Just keep an eye on the temps and they'll be fine.

I just checked out your link to your Time Spy Score. For VR you definitely want to up your clockspeed on your 9900K to it's full potential. DCS likes fast single core performance. Intel's XTU will let you OC and stability test really easily without having to mess around in your BIOS. You can also push less than 8 cores a lot higher than trying for an all core OC. I see your max Turboboost was at 4.8 GHz on your CPU. The stock OC on the 9900K should have 3 cores at 5.0 GHz. Make sure you have your power settings set to High Performance under Windows power options. What kind of cooling do you have? I can get my 9900K up to 5.4 on 3 cores/5.3 on 8 cores at 1.4 volts < 80 C for benchmarks. I keep it at 5.4/5.2 for everyday usage to keep voltage lower to prevent degradation. I have a custom loop though. With an air cooler you will have to adjust accordingly. Also just for DCS purposes I would suggest Firestrike over Timespy for tuning for DCS. DCS is on DX11 not DX12. You might be able to push it a little harder and still stay stable. If you are familiar with your BIOS I also suggest turning Hyperthreading off as DCS doesn't use it and you will have lower temps and more OC headroom. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21784737

Reverb with the rig in my sig. I tuned settings above the VR preset and can still maintain 45/90 fps. I had to turn down several settings like visib range and msaa from my 2d settings but worth it. I don't think we'll see anybody hitting 90 fps all the time with max settings any time soon even with a 10900K/3080 Ti. Still things are moving faster than I thought they would tech wise and with a new graphics engine, maybe. The frame interpolation on the Reverb tends to give things a smear effect, especially trees.

Nobody on this forum can answer that. We'll have to wait till the new graphics engine and Vulkan build are actually out. By then new processors will be out to choose from.

If you are going AMD I'd go for the 3900X which is the closest match to the 9700K in gaming performance. The 9700K is less expensive though. Unfortunately, no one benchmarks DCS comparing the two. So which will perform better is speculation. You'll need to ignore armchair engineers on this issue. It's mostly people who have a bias toward one or the other and throw around marketing buzzwords like 7nm. Here are some objective benchmarks that compare the performance on other games. Generally speaking Intel performs better on games, while AMD performs better on editing/rendering software. The extra cores and multithreading capabilities of our CPUs aren't really used by DCS or most games. Gamer's Nexus tests games with multithreading off on CPUs and they perform better in games. DCS is constrained by single core performance, only uses 3 cores, and does not use multithreading. I keep Hyperthreading off on my CPU for better overclocking. (Gamer's Nexus 3900x benchmarks relative to other CPUs) https://www.pcgamer.com/best-cpu-for-gaming/

New 3rd Party Dev: A-7E Corsair II Nice, more 'Nam. We definitely need more 'Nam in our DCS lives. https://flyingironsimulations.com/blogs/news/dcs-a-7e-corsair-ii-by-flyingiron-sims

You can't draw that conclusion from this poll, it's just selection bias. Most players don't play online or participate in forums/Hoggit.

You can't OC it, it's locked down by the chipset of your motherboard and the VRM, mosfets, and capacitors are not the proper grade for it. If you can find a decent price on a used one a 6700 or 7700 with out the "K" is what you would want, it should be cheaper, theoretically anyway. No need to upgrade to Win10, I was running my 7700K on Win7 just fine. I have no idea what the used market is like in Canada though. A 3700X is a good processor, that's a sound plan. FYI you can get old Win8 Pro keys that were never sold or activated if you shop around. They will upgrade for free to Win10 Pro. I got my current Win10 license for $10. It sounds shady but it's legit. Microsoft won't activate a transferable license simultaneously on two machines. An OEM license can't be reactivated. Microsoft wants you to use Win10, they collect analytics and user data from it that's valuable to them.

I typed something out to disagree with you and then did a quick price search and even B&H Photo which is one of the vendors I order from is selling a 7700K at a higher price than I paid for a binned one from Silicon Lottery a couple years ago. Wow...this whole shortage is crazy. Looks like even reputable vendors will take advantage. You're better off just buying used from a fellow gamer on Ebay.

Just a heads up you won't be able to OC a 6700K on your current motherboard that you listed in your response to Bit in the other thread. I wouldn't want you to spend the money and then be disappointed. If you want to upgrade and keep your MB I would recommend a 7700 without the K. If you want to build something newer and are on a limited budget currently an AMD 3600 is a good bang for the buck but would require a new motherboard and likely RAM as well. There's an expiration date on that advice as both Intel and AMD will be releasing new processors over the next year. Either way prices should drop on older CPUs. For Intel overclocking you need to match a "K" CPU with a "Z" motherboard to manually overclock.

This is like Deja Vu. I'm pretty sure I saw this exact question posted on Reddit in the last couple weeks. Anyway, I don't think you should be judging the stability of your system because you pause and/or leave a game running for 12-30 hours. I wouldn't consider that real world usage. You'd be amazed at the problems rebooting can solve as it wipes the memory. Imagine trying to do math problems on the same chalkboard without erasing it from the previous class. Rebooting gives you a clean slate. It's become common for people to leave their computers on all the time, but rebooting is good thing to do before gaming and/or troubleshooting. This would only be an issue if you were rendering something overnight in software like Blender. You can run Prime95 overnight or put a Blender render demo on a loop overnight if you are doing something where a crash will actually cost you time and money. I wouldn't worry about it if your system is showing stability in day to day usage and passes stress tests. I think you're just chasing gremlins.

Holy excrement! I was skeptical but then checked Amazon's .ca site. That's absurd. You guys need to be very wary of 3rd party scalpers who take advantage when Amazon or Newegg run out of stock. It happens with CPUs, GPUs, HOTAS, etc. On the US site it's $187 listed as back in stock in a couple weeks. Don't pay $320 CDN for it but when you find it for a reasonable price it's a game changer for sims. I don't know enough about the Canadian retail space to recommend an ethical vendor. Maybe someone else can help out. Ebay? I ship to Canada when I sell my used components but for whatever reason a lot of vendors don't. There was a guy on Hoggit the other day who said Amazon had been charging $600 for the Warthog when it was just third party scalpers. It's on sale right now in the States for less than $400 US which is the cheapest I've seen it for a while. Unless Intel puts out another batch soon only scalpers are selling the 9900KS right now for ridiculous prices, it's MSRP from Intel is $513-524. Same thing happened when the AMD 3950X came out and stock was low. Scalpers were selling it for $1000 when it should be $750 US. Unscrupulous vendors will buy out all the stock through normal retail channels and then sell at a high margin. Same thing happened during the mining craze when there was a GPU shortage.