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I don't know what plane you pilot. But if you haven't watch any of those videos posted by Deka and assume this is an "underdog", you are about to get what's coming. :lol: Most of the videos showed a standard 4th gen fighting capacity, but just watch the RWR video. It is more advanced than any module we have in our inventory at the moment.

The original PL-5 was designed to outmatch the AIM-9G. Later many upgrades (like A, B, C, D variants) were introduced to improve its bore-sight, range, maneuverability and counter counter measure etc. The E variant was the first missile in China with an all aspect IR seeker. PL-5EII is basically a PL-5E that had been upgraded twice further. Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20070225091543/http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/pl5.asp

Dear sir or madam: I have been flying MiG-21 in this game for a while now and noticed that there are so many buttons in the aircraft cannot be found in the control manual and therefore we cannot map them on to our keyboard and devices like joystick and throttle control. Buttons like IFFs (there are a few IFF switches on the right side of the cockpit), even the "ARK mode antenna/compass" switch cannot be found in the control option. In particularly, there are 2 buttons are very import, they are used to manually control the nosecone in an emergency. However, I could not find them anywhere in the control option. The MiG-21 had been released for a long while now and it still feels like an "early access". Many operational procedures like the ECM pod were not taught to us in the flight manual. While those procedures can be introduced in the future, can you please let us map the nosecone manual control. Thanks in advance. Because during an emergency, it is a pain in the bottom to trying to click it with a mouse, especially if you have TrackIR. By the time you get it right, the plane would have already hit the surface. Thanks again

I don't get it. Those two sentences don't conflict one another. I don't know what you mean.

I would say that Mirage IIE is more advanced than the F-104. J-7G is actually designed roughly in the same era as the J-8F, yet Q-5 are catching up :smartass:

It's in the link posted at the very end of the original post. Please take a look and cast your vote as well :thumbup: Here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=255017

Not really, my other poll proves differently with the winning of F-104, which is not the most advanced fighter if you ask me :smilewink: The J-8F is winning is probably due the lack of advanced Red Fighter in DCS. Many people don't consider JF-17 as a true Red Fighter.

Here is how Pakistan contributed to the project. Those photos are from the original Super-7 prototype when it was marketed. Pakistan wanted a new cockpit and interface system similar to F-16, so they can easily transfer their F-16 pilots to JF-17. That's why they used F-16's HUD and data to ask China to redesign the cockpit for them. If someone believes that ask the seller to customize the cockpit and the control interface should not be counted as contribution to the aircraft design itself. Like I mentioned earlier, it is one thing to feel the pride of your nation, but that is no excuse to make up story for it. We all love our nation, that doesn't mean I am going to make up a story and feel proud of it. If I have to make up a story to feel proud of my nation, then I think there is a problem of my nation (either that, or there is something wrong with me lol). Therefore, I suggest you to love your Pakistan and show your patriotism in a right way. I am not insulting anyone. FC-1 was intended to be a cheap 4th gen fighter with capabilities such as BVR with F&F, precision strike, SEAD, etc... and was designed for many 3rd world friends who cannot afford to purchase a 4th gen fighter like J-10. In fact there was even a cheaper fighter being design for the even more budget constrained countries, which was called J-7FS (please see the picture below). Pakistan contributed by turning FC-1 from a cheap fighter into a proper 4th gen fighter which can go head to head with a F-16A, because back then, China was reluctant to share J-10 tech with the FC-1, since FC-1 was marketed as an export only plane. But we must know that when Pakistan joined the project, the FC-1 prototype was already made. So there is no way, they could have contributed to the design of the aircraft itself. As you can see from the picture, at that point, the FC-1 design was already completed. JF-17 was more of an upgrade package much like the MiG-23MLD to the MiG-23MLA than a redesign. As far as I know if now a customer walks in, and tell China that they want to purchase some FC-1 (without Pakistan add on), China can legally produce the original FC-1 and sell to them without even the need to even notify Pakistan. J-7FS: Aimed to directly add BVR capability to the J-7 Only 2 prototypes were made. No production.

Of course it is. You guys weren't even involved until after the 4th prototype was made. Since when did I say that? So contribution in the interface design should count as contribution for the aircraft design? I don't see the logic in your statement. I didn't evade any of your question. It was you who are hell bend on trying to grab on to any trivial issue to fuel your Pakistan pride. Love your country is one thing. Making up excuses to fuel nationalistic pride is quite another. OK, let me answer this as direct as I can. No, F-16 from Pakistan had no contribution to FC-1 project whatsoever. It only contributed to JF-17 project. Because FC-1 was already made before JF-17. Pakistan contributed to the development of an upgrade package which turned FC-1 into JF-17. As far as I know, if a customer want to, they can still purchase FC-1 directly from China, the version without Pakistan involvement.

What are you even talking about? Minimising one's role in the project? Since when? I specifically stated that Pakistan paid 50% of the fund. I stated facts. Super-7 is Super-7, saber II is saber II. I am seriously started to think that one of us is having English issue. And I doubt it was me. You make me feel embarrassed as a fellow Homo sapient. No should say: as a fellow Eukaryotes.

What are you talking about? Super-7 was Super-7. Pakistan wasn't in it. Back then Pakistan had their own project called Sabre II, which had some merit in FTC-2000. HUD of F-16? That's just an interface, people can program it to look like anything. I am sure if customers demand it, they can even make it looks like Alien craft interface from "Independence Day".

Won't be totally different. Like I mentioned earlier, FC-1 was already made. Pakistan just contributed on some modifications. And those modification only got involved after the 4th prototype (with DSI inlet) was already made. So that means, without Pakistan, FC-1 would have looked exactly the same as today. That's why in China, people still call it FC-1. Your kid will always be your kid, the fact won't alter just because his foster parents paid some of his tuition fee.

Exactly. FC-1 was Chinese brainchild. If Pakistan starts to discredit where credits are due, then they might find that one day China is unwilling to help when they are attacked by their big neighbor. That seems to be the case with the FC-31 project. That's why you don't see a JF-31 project anywhere.

That's completely bull.... As far as we know, Pakistan came in much later when China already had Super-7 or FC-1 prototype (see picture below). And that was why it was called FC-1 (Fighter China 1) instead of Joint Fighter 17, because back then, Pakistan hadn't contributed to the project yet. In fact, Pakistan only joined in after Chinese had already made 3 prototypes of FC-1. And that was why only the 4th prototype was named JF-17. Because Pakistan had made their contribution. Pakistan wanted more than the FC-1 China had already designed, so China said, "OK, if you want something more, you need to contribute to the development fund." So Pakistan paid 50% estimated developmental fund to turn FC-1 into JF-17. As far as I know, Pakistan contributed little in terms of Technology. And the entire development process was conducted in China. So I don't know what you meant by "lead", "brainwave" and "develop new plane with new structure". The structure of FC-1 and Super-7 was already there. Basically, JF-17 is just a Pakistan contributed upgrade package for FC-1. Also, I think you misunderstood why "China will get 42% production and Pakistan 58%". This is not about which nation get more part produced. This is about the fact that there are 42% of parts on JF-17 that Pakistan is yet to have the capacity to produce. "The workshare agreement in effect between China and Pakistan permits PAC to produce 58% of the airframe and subsystems (the engine is imported from Russia). I imagine (and hope) the balance will gradually shift more to the Pakistani side as PAC becomes more capable." https://quwa.org/2015/10/17/jf-17-block-2-and-block-3-details-confirmed/ Here is the first prototype marked 01, it marked "Super-7", which was the original name for the plane. The second picture shows that it was later renamed to FC-1. Second prototype: Still named FC-1 (Fighter China -1), indicated that Pakistan still had not involved in the project. The second FC-1 prototype (serial number ‘02’) was built for static stress test. (therefore I couldn't find any picture) The 4th prototype: Once again, still named FC-1 (Fighter China -1) initially, indicated that Pakistan still had not involved in the project. The notice difference between the first and the 4th prototype is the diffuser supersonic inlet. Only afterwards, Pakistan had finally get involved with the project and the 4th prototype was repainted as JF-17

Sorry to rain on your parade. But J-10 had nothing to do with Lavi. This is front the "Youth Science Magazine" issued in 1979. The J-10 project was already started back then, right after the cancellation of J-9. But the Lavi project wasn't started until a year later in 1980.

Hi guys. At the moment, most of the module makers for DCS love to go after the best variant of a particular plane. But there are many iconic variants than just the best ones. For example, MiG-21bis was the best MiG-21 variant (modern renovation models do NOT count). But it you really looking into it, MiG-21PFM was probably most iconic model as it fought through out the Vietnam war, while bis, I am not sure which major conflict did it go through. Since some team have made 2 variants of FW-190, I don't see why there would be any problem to do the same for other planes. The second issue is that sometime when a team of developers develops a module, they don't give us or don't plan to give us a proper match opponent for it. For example, the MiG-19 has not a proper enemy to match. That is why I have made this post to bring awareness to module developers, that you can made more money if you sell us both screw and the screw cap together instead of selling only one of them. And if one team made a plane without a proper enemy, you can get a lot of sells if you make the proper opponent for it. :thumbup: I have listed some potential planes grouped into Soviet, US and EU (Chinese ones not listed here since so far the only module maker can get enough data for them is the Deka team). The 3rd gen fighters like MiG-23, F-4 and Mirage F1 are not included, because I heard there are teams who are making it as we speak. Please take a look and vote ones you like, so module makers know where the money is :) Please leave a comment about your thoughts in this. And if you are interested in Chinese planes, please come to this link to vote too. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=249861 F-100 F-86K Mystère IV J-5A MiG-21PFM F-104

Yep, that definitely looks like a H-5. Also, thanks for the photo L0op8ack I didn't know Chinese Laser bomb program started so long ago. However, I have to say, it looks like an old PL-1 missile.

Yep, that's what wiki tells us at least. As far as I know, Q-5D is the last Q-5 variant which entered services. There are E and F variant, but didn't enter service. Basically, to this point, Q-5's potential had been explored fully, there isn't any place left to fit more tech on. Since the military wanted to have a precision strike attacker, some engineer made E and F variant. Because there weren't enough space to fit the equipment, so each variant were only fitted with half of the device. The E variant was fit with the laser targeting device while the F variant was fitted with the laser receiver or whatever the name was. Basically, E variant will paint the target for F variant to drop the precision bombs. After military saw this bizarre arrangement, they told the engineer "never mind, we will just use the JH-7 then". lol That was why E and F didn't enter the service.

If I remember correctly, Q-5III is the most iconic as it is the most mass produced. Plus, there are more nations which purchased it than any other variants, so players who purchase it can use it to run more different scenarios.

I just saw this thing in the "thread tool" section. It allows me to put my own poll in for this thread I made. This is awesome. I never I knew there was such function in the thread. So I have just added a poll, please cast your vote :)

I wish they can hurry up a bit. Because I just got pay and soon my wife is going to tax me for this month's income. If she does that before the JF-17 is released, I won't have the budget to buy the module.

That's the old Soviet way of thinking. That was why all Soviet planes had such messy cockpit, which reduced pilot's situation awareness. Chinese planes are not like that. Chinese engineers will do all they can to reduce a pilot's reaction time. Not exactly true. Last time I checked, PAF can only produce about 42% of JF-17's components. So depend on where do you make the order from. If you order it from China, they will definitely customise it for you.

I cannot understand Pakistan language. Has he said in the speech that was in a F-16? The patch mean little because JF-17 was designed to replace F-16, therefore, they could been operating JF-17. If he actually said that he was in a F-16, then please tell me at what time he said so. Then I will verify it with another one of my Pakistan friend. I fact, from the 1:10:40 of the video you provided, a JF-17 model was presented with marking 11-130 on it. I did a research, that is definitely the marking for a JF-17. If this video was about F-16 shot down Su-30, then why didn't they present you with a F-16 model instead of JF-17. Once again, your source doesn't match your info. And the facts that you 2 only registered just to make those 2 comments had made your motive questionable. Therefore it is highly like you two are just 2 indians who had been banned for trying to turn this thread into a politics bashing thread recently.

Please don't use forum as a source. And there is no proper info on the author of the first link. Interestingly, both of you had only made those posts. Seems to me that both of you have just joined the forum just to make those posts.