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I disagree. JF-17 cockpit looks awesome and new. Unlike the F-16 cockpit texture, which looks so dirty. I feel uneasied sitting in there. Because I can't help but to imagine that I am in a second hand plane and what kind of guy used to be the owner of the plane. Feel like the previous owner never clean up and never showered for his entire life. I might be catch various infectious diseases just by sitting the that cockpit.

I understand. But what about those ones made by China not pakistan for Nigeria and Myanmar? They are not imperical, right? Also, you told us that you are planning an J-10A after JF-17. Please tell us that J-10A uses metric units. Please.

Can we have an option to use metric, please? JF-17 a fighter for export and customised for the nation which purchases it. I heard that both Nigeria and Myanmar have ordered JF-17. Both of nations use metric system. So I am sure their JF-17 would use metric. Because for vertical velocity, feet per minute is not the same and nowhere near as useful as meters per second. In an air to air combat, who cares what happens after a minute. Every second count in those situations.

hehe, now you guys know how we feel flying a plane with English symbols on them. haha. This reminded me when I was studying "Advanced Chinese" at Uni. During the final exam, the looks on my Caucasian friends' face was so rewarding. :P

I think so. J-11A might not be as modern as the Su-27SM, but it is more modern than the standard Su-27S.

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You mean J-10A is declassified enough for a sim? Hope you guys can have the advanced system model. I am all for it. If you guys can make J-10A with ASM, I am willing to pay $200 for that module.

I know, I know. But the JF-17 is not in service in China. So by making JF-17, Deka isn't exposing state secrets. J-8 is old and about to withdraw from the service. Beside, during the China-West honeymoon period, China had already giving the west an example of J-8II. So it is not exactly a leak if Deka makes J-8II.

J-10 and JH-7 are in service in massive number. I doubt we will be able to get them anytime soon. H-5 on the other hand is very interesting. If they do decide to make H-5, it will be the first dedicated bomber in DCS. Also, it will be a nice if it is multicrew enabled. Also, Q-5's back is not identical with MiG-19. It is developed from MiG-19 that's true. But had a longer fuselage, area ruled to reduce transonic drag and accommodate a 4 m (13-ft) long internal weapons bay. The air intakes were moved to the fuselage sides to make space in the nose for a planned target radar. New wings with greater area and reduced sweep were incorporated. The Q-5 shares the J-6's Liming Wopen WP-6A engines. The redesign cost some high-altitude speed, but the Q-5 is as fast as the MiG-19/J-6 at low level, thanks largely to the area-ruled fuselage.

Thanks for developers in Deka team, we are getting closer and closer to the release of the long-waited JF-17. It also appears that the Deka team do plan to develop more modules in the future after the JF-17. So I have put a list together for the potential planes for the future project All planes below are either withdraw from the service or about to withdraw from the service. So I don't think there is any "classified" issue. Before I started to introduce you with Chinese's own unique planes and their distinctive variant of Soviet planes, I would like to tell you that you can vote multiple aircrafts, not just one. 1: J-5A The Chinese variant of MiG-17PF. Selling points: a) There is no MiG-17 module in DCS. b) Unlike the Soviet MiG-17 variants, between the radar, missiles, and cannons, you can only have 2 of them, but never all of them. For example: MiG-17F has missile and cannon, but no radar; MiG-17PF has radar, cannon but no missiles; and MiG-17PM has missile and radar but no cannon. But for J-5A (please see picture below), it has 3x23mm, a radar and 2 hardpoints for PL-1(K-5) and PL-1B(K-55) missiles. Some documents actually suggest that J-5A can carry 4 K-55 missiles just like a MiG-17PM. A total of 124 J-5A were produced. Merit: In 9th of April, 1965, a J-5A shot down a F-4 from the US navy. 2: J-6III Selling points: Before J-6III, Chinese companies made many upgrades for the weapon system, avionics, and engines for their Soviet-designed planes. But never attempted to change the aerodynamics of the plane. J-6III was the first plane which had it's aerodynamically altered by Chinese engineers. They ignored the original nose design from the MiG-19PM and went along with a new design for the indigenous radar. The wingspan was shortened (notice the location of the missile on the wing, it is on the wingtip), wing area increased by about 1.18 square meters, the thickness of the wing reduced. An upgraded engine was introduced as well. As a result, during the initial combat test, it demonstrated an increases in term of the speed, maneuverability, climb rate, and acceleration characteristics. Background story: Despite the improvements over the old MiG-19 variants, it was still nowhere near the initial criteria which stated that the plane needs to have a maximum speed of 1.6 mach, a ceiling of 20,000 meters. But never the less, it managed to impress the military during the test. Fueled by the national pride, the military decided to put this design into large scale production, which against the recommendation of the designing team since the endurance test and error detection test haven't been conducted yet. About 300 planes were made in the initial production. However, a year after those planes enter the service, problems started to appear. The new engine was more powerful, but also generate more heat, which leads to overheating in certain weather; some rivets near the air intake came off on a few planes during flight and caused some accident due to the increase vibration frequency at the external surface of the air intake (400hz vs 250hz in other MiG-19 variants) . Because of that, all J-6IIIs was grounded and sent back to the designing factory to solve the issue. Only after 3 years of revision, all problems were solved and the design was perfected (include new alloy for the tail section to prevent overheat; 8 support air intakes around the nose to reduce vibration frequency). All planes were then sent back to the service where they operated without any incident. However, veteran pilots still complained about the handling of the plane for being "oversensitive" and do NOT recommend this plane for newbie pilots. (But luckily we don't care since we have "Axi tunning in control option). Nevertheless, the J-6III had proven itself as a capable fighter. China, as an enthusiast user of J-6, out of over 600 J-6 they had built, over 400 of them were J-6III variant, a clear indicator of its superiority over other variants. The plane is armed with 3x30mm cannon and 4 hardpoints for PL-2B missiles which were the best missile China had at the time. It is roughly equivalent to the AIM-9E, and later version can also carry PL-5 series. And for those who can understand Chinese, please watch this: 3: J-7G Not just another fishbed. The new wings retain the existing leading-edge sweep angle of 57° inboard but have reduced sweep angle of 42° on the outboard wing, which also has a leading-edge flap fitted. This design offered an excellent solution to the inherent low aspect ratio problem of a slender delta. The slighting larger wingspan and 8.17% more wing area also gave an increased internal fuel capacity (from 2,080kg to 4,165kg) and much enhanced manoeuvrability.The aircraft’s performance was further enhanced by the introduction of an improved Liming (LMC) Wopen-13F turbojet rated at 44.1kN dry and 66.7kN with afterburning, giving a thrust-to-weight ratio of about 0.9 in clean, take-off configuration compared with 0.8 of J-7B. The sea-level climbing rate has increased from 155m/s to 195m/s; the ferry range has increased from 1,500km to 2,200km; the G limit has increased from 7g to 8g. The maximum instantaneous turn rate is 25.2 degree/sec, and the maximum sustained turn rate at 1,000m altitude is 16 degree/sec. According to CAC’s advertisement, compared with the J-7B, the overall aerodynamic performance of J-7G has increased by 43%, and the combat effectiveness has increased by 84%. I once heard that they tested with Pakistan's F-16A. The results shown that without BVR missiles, just use short range IR missiles and the internal cannon for dog fight, F-16A had no advantage over the J-7G. J-7G is equipped with an I/J-band KLJ-6E Lieying (“Falcon”) pulse-Doppler fire-control radar allegedly based on the Israeli EL/M2023. A new one-piece front windscreen replaced the original three-piece design for better cockpit visibility. Other improvements include a new Type III IFF, an indigenous zero-height, zero-speed ejection seat, and improved electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite. The J-7G firs flew in June 2002 and entered the PLAAF service in 2004. The J-7G production is expected to last for few years before the J-10 and J-11B fighter can enter service in significant numbers. 16 examples of the J-7G fighter were delivered to the PLAAF 37th Air Division (serial number 5XX8X) based at Urumqi, Xinjiang. An additional 32 aircraft were delivered to the PLAAF 12th Division (serial number 2XX3X) in November 2006. An unarmed version designated J-7GB replaced the earlier J-7EB in the PLAAF August 1st Aerobatic Demonstration Team It can carry advanced missiles like PL-8 and PL-9. Also, for those who can learned Chinese, please watch this: 4: J-8E Selling points J-8I is the first true Chinese designed plane. It is a high-altitude, high-speed interceptor that was designed to go after any strategic recon planes like the U-2 and any strategic bombers that may threaten the nation's safety. It has amaximum speed of Mach 2.2, a service ceiling of over 20,000m, a sea-level climb rate of 200m/s, and a combat radius of 750~1,000km. The J-8E is the final variant of the the J-8I series and all domestic variants of J-8I have been upgraded to J-8E standard. J-8E is equiped with a type 204 (JL-7) mono-pulse fire-control radar, SM-8A aeronautical optical gun-sight, onboard computer, new cockpit panel, and redesign ejection escape system and oxygen supply system. The original two Type 30-I 30mm cannons were replaced by two Type 23-III 23mm cannons. The four under-wing stores stations are capable of carrying the more advanced PL-5 series short-range AAM. These aircraft were also fitted with an improved electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite including KJ-8602B all-aspect radar warning receiver (RWR). G limit is about 5. Since it can fly as high as U-2 and at a much higher speed and maneuverability, it can also equip a recon pod and use as a high altitude high speed recon plane. This cockpit is not from a J-8E, but from the first variant of J-8I Once again, for those who can understand Chinese: 5: J-8F Selling point, the first Chinese designed plane with BVR capability. J-8II series, despite share the same name with J-8I, it is almost totally new design. Unlike the previous J-8 models, which simply pursued high-altitude, high-speed performance, the J-8II emphasized very much on the performance at transonic speeds and in medium-low altitudes. The aircraft was also required to be able to engage enemy aircraft at beyond visual range (BVR) and have the secondary capability for ground attack. Compared to the J-8I series, the J-8II has modestly improved its manoeuvrability. Test results showed that the J-8II’s intake efficiency was the same as the J-8 at high speeds and 6% higher at lower speeds. An electrically controlled differential horizontal tailplane resulted in the J-8II being 45% more efficient in roll control compared to the J-8 at subsonic speeds. G limit: 6.9 J-8F is the best and the final variant of the J-8II series, and is regarded as the first true ‘multirole’ fighter and also the most capable variant in the J-8II family. New features to the J-8F include a new fire-control radar (JL-10 or Type 1492) capable of firing the PL-12 (SD-10) active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile (MRAAM), a ‘glass’ cockpit, and more powerful WP-13BII turbojets (each rated at ~7,000kg with afterburning). In addition, the aircraft features enhanced air-to-surface/ship strike capability. Like the J-8D variant, the J-8F could also be fitted with a fixed in-flight refuelling probe. The J-8F is generally similar to the early variants of the J-8II family in appearance. The most recognisable features are two wing fences on each wing (in contrast to one on previous variants) and the stiffened nose radome. The new fire-control radar has a radio command transmitter to provide mid-course correction for the PL-12 MRAAM during the 'beyond-visual-range' (BVR) attack. When using PL-12, the radar enables the pilot to lock on two targets and engage them simutanously. If necessary, the radar could also guide Russian-made MRAAM such as R-27 (AA-10) and R-77 (AA-12). The radar also has enhanced air-to-ground and air-to-sea modes to fire a range of precision guided armaments including laser or satellite-guided bombs, and the Russian Kh-31 anti-ship missile. Although the J-8F has yet approached the capabilities of advanced fighter aircraft such as Su-27 or Su-30, it provides a relatively inexpensive supplement to PLAAF’s existing fourth-generation fighter fleet. The aircraft first flew in 2000 and the first successful test fire of the PL-12 MRAAM took place in spring 2004. The fighter entered PLAAF service in 2003 and the production continues. 6: Q-5III Q-5 is an attacker plane design by China during the cold war. Q-5III is the most iconic and internationally most widespread version. And it is the first variant equiped with an all aspect RWR. Crew: One Wingspan: 9.68m Length: 16.727m Height: 4.19m Empty weight: 6,400kg Normal take-off weight: 9,530kg Max take-off weight: 11,317kg Max weapon payload: 2,000kg Max speed: Mach 1.12 (sea level) or Mach 1.5 (10,975m) Range: Ferry range less than 2,000km with two drop tanks, combat radius 400km on a lo-lo-lo attack mission with maximum warload, or 600km on a hi-lo-hi attack mission with maximum warload Service ceiling: 16,500m 7: Q-5D The best variant in service. introduced during the 1996 Taiwan Strait Crisis, the separate doppler navigation system and GPS of the Q-5C was replaced by the DG-1 integrated doppler navigation/GPS system. Other systems included the ALR-1 Laser rangefinder/Marked Target seeker and QHK-10 Head Up Display. A new weapon aiming sight, the SH-1II, replaced the older SH-1I, and No. 5311 Factory managed to successfully integrate this sight with the new laser range finder and Type 205 navigation radar. Some unconfirmed images indicates that this variant of Q-5 is upgraded to equip a new targeting pod to guide laser guided bombs. 8: H-5 If this is made, it will be the first dedicated bomber of the DCS series. It can be used to simulate a variety of scenario from 60s to 90s. Since it is long out of service, there wouldn't be any issues from the government. OK, now you are properly informed, please vote your preferences. I have also made this poll to vote, please feel free to take a look too https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=255017 ,

Please include this livery :)

Thank you for supporting my idea. But if so, can you contact them instead? English is my second language, so whenever I speak English, I speak with a few fixed format that I have learned. It would sound very rigid and stiff. Wouldn't sound like a person who is asking for a favour. If you can, please give it a try. Secondly, giving PL-5EII won't overpower the MiG-21. Here is what I know about PL-5EII, Deka developers, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. PL-5 originally was desigen to match the performance of AIM-9G. Afterwards, many variance with improvements was developed such as the PL-5B, PL-5C, etc, each with better maneuverability. PL-5E was the first time, the missile is giving an all-aspect IR seeker. The originally aim for designing PL-5E was to match the AIM-9L or P. PL-5EII was developed afterwards, probably with the same combat proficiency of an AIM-9M. Since F-5 has AIM-9M and F-4 has AIM-7, IMHO, PL-5EII won't overpower our MiG-21. :)

Sorry, do you guys know how to contact them?

OK, thanks for the info. I am going to contact them now :)

Dear developer from the Deka studio. Can you make PL-2B for our MiG-19 please if you have time. I heard PL-2B has roughly the same performance compare to the R-13M. Because the MiG-19P has no R-13 (I heard that it is historically so, not sure if it is true) while it was used to take on planes with more advanced missiles such as F-4 and F-5. So by giving the MiG-19 PL-2B will give the MiG-19 a better change while keeps the game historically accurate. Same for the MiG-21bis, can you give it PL-5EII once it is released? Thanks

I have been reading through the Wikipedia for the data. So I was thinking, MiG-17 is basically a super MiG-15, and F-86K or L is a super F-86F. So if we can have MiG-17PF and F-86K, then they can be matched perfectly. MiG-17PF VS F-86K Max speed 1,106 km/h VS 1,151 km/h Celling 16,600 m VS 15,163 m Rate of climb 65 m/s VS 61.7 m/s Weapon 3x23mm cannon 2x K-5 or K-55 VS 4x20mm cannon 2x AIM-9B

Yes, I would like to purchase a MiG-17 in a heartbeat too no matter which variant it is. But if I have to pick a version, I would prefer a version that has either a radar, or missiles, or both, since the MiG-15 we have is the MiG-15bis, a version without missile or radar. If I have to pick one, I pick missile. This way, we can have an aircraft that is properly equipped to deal with missile equipped F-86 and F-100 if DCS ever decide to make.

Thanks for developing this plane in DCS. This module brought tears in my eyes. Remind me too much of the younger days in IL-2 game, I used this plane and fought the enter Lvov and Smolensk campaign in the DGen campaign. Dear developer, do you have any future plan for planes which can be used as the enemy of this bird? Like Mitsubishi A5M or Bf-109D &or E?

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