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Please considering the following" J-10A would be best J-8F 2nd J-7G 3rd If not Indian Tejas would also be a good addition, as long as your properly model its reliability :P

J-8??? You mean the center cone nose version? After playing so much in MiG-15 and 21, I am sick of analog and really hoping for some glasses. lol If J-8 is the one, I hope at least it is the J-8E. And if it is going to be one of the J-8II, I hope at least it is a version which can launch PL-12. By the way, Aeria, can you give me the link of the thread? Thanks

Has Deka decided yet? What's their next module? Please announce that already so we can start day-dreaming. The suspense is kill me. I am sure there are many feel the same :smilewink:

Deka only focuses on Chinese airplane. They had long stated that. Your best hope is that they may make some Chinese plane that are based on Russia design, like J-11, J-15 etc. But those are way too advanced for them to release any info that is going to be helpful in making a sim. Beside, who need Su-15 if we can get J-8F :smilewink:

Why? China has been upgrading F-4 for Iran. And now it is much better and can carry even anti-ship missiles.

Hard to find. But China had been making upgrade packages to customers so their pylons can carry Chinese missile. Even Iran's F-4 can now carry Chinese missiles.

I just found the perfect excuse to add PL-5 on the MiG-21bis. Please have a look at this. This is the list of all airforces which uses PL-5 and almost all of them have MiG-21. I can't confirm if they are the bis version except Iraq which does have both MiG-21bis and PL-5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Air_Force#Current_inventory

Also on the wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_WS-13 The 4th reference indicates so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder And the 3rd reference here is from "Jane's", which is usually creditable. But for some reason, I have hard time open those link. Give it a try, see if you have better luck.

That maybe the case. Deka team should have the info on this topic. As long as they have the info, they can make them. :)

It appears that both are test aircraft. And it seems the one on the right is actually the WS-13. People were saying that RD-93 has full black muzzle while WS-13 has 2 coloured muzzles. Since both aircraft are at the same distance and at the same angle. When use a ruler on them, the one on the right is 1mm longer. I know this kind of measurement isn't accurate. Maybe Deka knows more on the topic. Also, there is this news https://web.archive.org/web/20100815001719/http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/china-and-pakistan-push-chengdu-jf-17-fighter-for-export-25788/

Nice, but having an AESA radar means we will never get it in DCS :(

you can see there are some slight difference between the Chinese FC-1 on the left and the Pakistan JF-17 to the right.

What do you mean? Test? What for? if not to make it into a module?

OK, would this J-15 has Advanced System Model??

What are you talking about? J-15 has far superior avionics and radar. It is basically a carrier version of the J-11B.

wow~!! Please tell me this is an official module, not a mod. I will buy it in a heart beat. I am willing to pay $90 for a module like this is it has ASM.

Are you saying F-1 fighter is planned as a module? If so, that is great news. What about F-2 fighter?

OK, I have another idea. Not only we get the block I and II, we also need to have the Chinese Variant. I know some of you guys will be confused since JF-17 hasn't been accepted into the service of the Chinese military. Yes, true. But Chinese have some JF-17 as demonstrator. They use those aircraft to show the potential buyers how good JF-17 is. The Chinese variant has some advantage over the Pakistan version. For example: The Chinese JF-17 block II (FC-1) demonstrators have at least 3 advantages: 1: Helmet aiming sight for missiles. 2: WS-13 Engine 3: PL-8 and PL-9 missiles Pakistan didn't purchase those due to budget constrains. I think this will be good for Deka team if this is made, since it will be a good advertisement for JF-17.

I am willing to pay for a variant that is most popular in present day in civilian aviation. Because that way, we can enjoy the game while learning something practical.

Yes, I know. But we can wait :) Also, those Chinese area included in the map are also a big battle grounds in WW2 between China and Japan. We already have the I-16 which were used by Chinese Airforce at the time. Maybe some day, people will make A Mitsubishi A5M to match it. :)

There was this old poster for JF-17 indicated that at some point, at least it was planned to allow the inner pylons to carry SD-10. I don't know, but maybe we can do so with block II.

Agree with the OP. But I would like to suggest that instead of those carrier borne fighter which weren't that prominent, let's introduce the following aircraft first. Fury (The UK variant of F-86) MiG-9 VS F-84 La-11 VS F4U Tu-2 VS A-26 Those aircraft played a bigger roles in the conflict. I still remember reading the Bombing of Taehwa-Do (an island used by US as a forward observation post for its Navy). An operation carried out by Tu-2 and escorted by La-11 and MiG-15. MiG-9 La-11 A-26 Tu-2 (photo taken during Taehwa-Do bombing) F-84

According to silver dragon's DCS roadmap, there is a Korea map being planned for the future.: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893 Can we include the eastern coast of China as well, please? Like the picture below: This way, we can simulate more scenarios. Scenarios include 1: WW2 That's why we have Hiroshima there. It is such an iconic event in WW2. Edited: Also, those Chinese area included in the map are also a big battle grounds in WW2 between China and Japan. We already have the I-16 which were used by Chinese Airforce at the time. Maybe some day, people will make A Mitsubishi A5M to match it. 2: Chinese Civil War In the Chinese civil war, the PLAAF had P-51 and Mosquito. P-51 we already have in DCS, while Mosquito is an upcoming module which will be made available in the future. The ROCAF side had P-51 and P-47. The P-47 is a planned modules in DCS. Many of those cities on the eastern coast and north east China were historical battle grounds during the Civil war. 3: Korea War Well, that's what Korea map is made for, and we already have both the MiG-15 and the F86F. But with Chinese east coastal city included, the Red side can choose to take off from those cities. I don't know if the Chinese P-51 had any encounters with the US F4U and UK's Spitfire during the Korea war, but F4U did serve in Korea war and it is an upcoming module too and the spitfire, well it is already in DCS. 4: Fictional Second Korea War Basically with more modern jets than the old MiG-15 and F86. 5: Fictional conflict between South Korea and Japan around the Liancourt Rocks dispute.

Sorry, I forgot to mention, the last variant, J-7G is also exported to Tanzania, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. I agree with you. For the old model, which are more closely resemble the Soviet counterparts, we can as other teams to make them. Deka is a team which is more specialised in Chinese planes. If we ask them to make Soviet planes, that would be a "missed opportunity".

I won't call them slight upgrades, if they can make them with ASM, I'd buy them: 1: J-7 series This is almost identical to the MiG-21F-13 series. 2: J-7I series (F-7A for export) upgrades and optimisations of J-7 series. New pylons for Chinese missiles like PL-2 series and wing fuel tanks. Better ejection seat Better engine WP-7II New IFF 3: J-7II series (F-7B for export) further optmisation of J-7I airframe New centre pylon for 720L belly tank. WP-7II block 2 engine. Flair and chaff launcher ECM 4: J-7M (F-7M) air-guard The most built model. Exported to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Iran. HUD and data computer from UK Sky Ranger 7M ranging radar New on board ECM Encrypted radio 4 wing pylons instead of 2 (From this point onwards all J-7s have 4 wing pylons) WP-7BM engine LJ-2 RWR The domestic version called J-7IIM, capable of carrying PL-7, PL-8 and PL-9. 5: F-7MP sky bolt series. Basically a J-7M with a search radar. Designed to outperforms Mirage 5 in every aspect and specifically for export only. Martin-Baker Mk 10 ejection seat. New IFF and radio. Better oxygen supply system. Grifo-7 radar. Unlike the development of MiG-21 in Soviet, all those different airframes listed above have roughly the same size,because PLA was unwilling to sacrifice maneuverability for speed and range. 6: J-7III series. China obtained some MiG-21MF from Egypt. After study the airframe, China decided that the radar and avionics from the MiG-21MF are inadequate. So they developed their own radar and avionics specifically for this airframe. JL-7A mono pulse radar with look down shot down capability WP-13FI engine. KL-11A auto pilot HTY-3 ejection seat Type 481 data link 930-3 RWR (far better than the ones in the MiG-21MF) HK-13A HUD PL-7 and PL-8 missiles Only about 4 to 5 squadrons of those were made, because once again, Chinese didn't like the idea that MiG-21MF airframe sacrificed maneuverability. 7: J-7E series After Chinese felt unsatisfied with J-7III airframe, they went back to the smaller airframe and developed a new double delta wing to further increase the maneuverability of J-7. This variant has only ranging radar. It's export variant known as F-7GP was well liked in the export market. 8: J-7G series Nations which purchase J-7E really like the plane. In fact their feedback were so good that China decide to make a domestic variant of J-7E of their own with a Doppler radar called J-7G. HOTAS control A Chinese derivative of EL/M-2032 Doppler radar specifically designed to fit the nose cone of J-7G with a search range of 60km. New HUD with SMS Can carry PL-8 and PL-9 missile Not just another fishbed. The new wings retain the existing leading-edge sweep angle of 57° inboard but have reduced sweep angle of 42° on the outboard wing, which also has a leading-edge flap fitted. This design offered an excellent solution to the inherent low aspect ratio problem of a slender delta. The slighting larger wingspan and 8.17% more wing area also gave an increased internal fuel capacity (from 2,080kg to 4,165kg) and much enhanced manoeuvrability.The aircraft’s performance was further enhanced by the introduction of an improved Liming (LMC) Wopen-13F turbojet rated at 44.1kN dry and 66.7kN with afterburning, giving a thrust-to-weight ratio of about 0.9 in clean, take-off configuration compared with 0.8 of J-7B. The sea-level climbing rate has increased from 155m/s to 195m/s; the ferry range has increased from 1,500km to 2,200km; the G limit has increased from 7g to 8g. The maximum instantaneous turn rate is 25.2 degree/sec, and the maximum sustained turn rate at 1,000m altitude is 16 degree/sec. According to CAC’s advertisement, compared with the J-7B, the overall aerodynamic performance of J-7G has increased by 43%, and the combat effectiveness has increased by 84%. I once heard that they tested with Pakistan's F-16A. The results shown that without BVR missiles, just use short range IR missiles and the internal cannon for dog fight, F-16A had no advantage over the J-7G. J-7G is equipped with an I/J-band KLJ-6E Lieying (“Falcon”) pulse-Doppler fire-control radar allegedly based on the Israeli EL/M2001. A new one-piece front windscreen replaced the original three-piece design for better cockpit visibility. Other improvements include a new Type III IFF, an indigenous zero-height, zero-speed ejection seat, and improved electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite. The J-7G firs flew in June 2002 and entered the PLAAF service in 2004. The J-7G production is expected to last for few years before the J-10 and J-11B fighter can enter service in significant numbers. 16 examples of the J-7G fighter were delivered to the PLAAF 37th Air Division (serial number 5XX8X) based at Urumqi, Xinjiang. An additional 32 aircraft were delivered to the PLAAF 12th Division (serial number 2XX3X) in November 2006. An unarmed version designated J-7GB replaced the earlier J-7EB in the PLAAF August 1st Aerobatic Demonstration Team It can carry advanced missiles like PL-8 and PL-9.