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Here is the "first" video, it is the cont. of the series about the Soviet SAM systems. Move video will come about this and many other topics soon.
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Simple: - Basically current air defence logic. - Air defence units turn on when the threat is at a set radius from the system even though they do not have the information to do so. - Not very realistic Realistic: - An air defence group requires information for it to turn on. So the logic change is that either the system is always on (ALARM STATE red), or turns on when the information is recieved. - The information is supplied from a search radar in the same group as the air defence system. - There is a true/false setting available for all radars in a group, that can set select radars as the information source(s) for the whole group. - This information sharing can extend to other groups with the mobile command post unit. Example setup: 1x SA-6 battery 2x SA-15 1x EWR as the source. A plane approaches. The SA-6 and 15 are silent until SA-6 is close to the interception range. A cruise missile is launched at the site. SA-15s turn on at interception range. This logic is followed as long as there is a source of information for the group. (set in mission maker) For a site without a source and ALARM STATE green, the site could wake up when a threat plane is in visual range or when there is a casualty in the group. When a cruise missile gets in visual range, the site does not wake up as it is bold to assume that anyone would see it. There could also be a setting for what to do when source is destroyed: Go red, go vis only, or find a new source such as SA-11 Snow Drift. These are the first steps towards IDAS. The current sam logic is just plain unrealistic when the sites wake up without any information source. A lone SA-15 should never wake up to intercept a HARM at 60k ft. This makes air defence units better when they have a range source of the threats, but worse when they don't, just like irl.
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I have some MANPADS in my mission and they should ideally only attack on specific group of airplanes. The problem is that the only options I get under Perform Task > Attack Group are ground troops; vehicles and infantry, but none of my plane groups. Which seems a bit weird, since MANPADS are specifically there for air defense. Is there a way to do this? Through script perhaps?
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I'm sure this has been covered but I just can't find it: Specifically, all red Air Defense units cannot (do not) target Allied air units under Advanced Actions / Triggered Actions > Perform Task > Attack Group. HOWEVER they can/do target ground units. Is it me - am I doing something wrong or is this a bug? I just can't believe this hasn't been discussed before now. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, John
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The SA-11 in DCS World is unique for one reason above all else, in my opinion: it is essentially a Medium-Range SAM that incorporates TELARs. All other Medium-Range SAMs are static (eg HAWK, SA-2) and the SA-6 leans closer to being a Tactical SAM and still uses TELs guided by the STRAIGHT FLUSH anyway. As a mission creator, I would also appreciate having a SAM available that is higher capability than an SA-11, but can still redeploy. Many DCS players are familiar with the SA-10, the S-300PS. However, many may not have heard of a project which arose in tandem for the Soviet Army: the S-300V. I myself had not heard of it until I downloaded the High Digit SAMs mod some time ago. Background Whereas the S-300P met the requirements of the Soviet air defense forces, which only specified faster deployment than the SA-2 in contrast to other requirements with respect to missile tracking and performance, the Soviet army wanted a system that was CBRN-resistant, mounted on treads, and capable of engaging ballistic missiles as well as maneuvering aircraft. They also wanted the S-300 to achieve similar deployment times to the SA-6, being ready for action minutes after coming to a halt. As the Army's requirements differed most significantly from those of the Air Defense Forces and Navy, the S-300V was born: though arising from the same concept and being of the same generation as the SA-10, I think it's accurate to consider the S-300V/SA-12 to be a different beast entirely. The S-300V, and its Chinese counterpart HQ-18, are in service with a handful of countries today including Russia, China, Pakistan, Ukraine, and Iran, with Russian S-300Vs seeing service in Syria. Russia, Egypt and Venezuela use the S-300VM (SA-23), an upgraded version. Left to Right: GLADIATOR TELAR, GIANT TELAR, GRILL SCREEN Radar Implementation into DCS I wish to see all elements of a standard SA-12 battery incorporated: the command vehicle, both GLADIATOR and GIANT TELARS, and all three radar types: GRILL PAN for target tracking and designation, BILL BOARD for general search, and HIGH SCREEN to improve capability against ballistic missiles. The multiple radars is for similar reasons as to why we have BIG BIRD, CLAM SHELL, and TIN SHIELD all available for the DCS SA-10; each have their own specialization and mission creators can set the battery's capabilities in part by incorporating various radars into the system. As these missiles likely have long reload times, I would also like to see the Loader-Launcher vehicles present and perhaps their presence would boost the rearm speed of adjacent TELARs either in or out of their group. The Loader-Launchers could also act as TELs, firing with the assistance of nearby TELARs. There are many SAMs in DCS which would have them but don't - it is unprecedented, and could be perceived as less important for the sake of DCS, so I recognize that as a stretch. The GLADIATOR and GIANT TELARs guide their own missiles to the target semi-actively via the illuminators atop the masts. They receive support from another radar to receive target designations, so a command vehicle and a single radar such as GRILL PAN can orchestrate an engagement against several targets by designating different targets to different TELARs. In turn, the BILL BOARD acts similarly to a BIG BIRD giving large scan volume at the regiment level; and the HIGH SCREEN will focus on ballistic missiles. Some sources say the TELARS cannot engage targets without the GRILL PAN, others say they can; I imagine a DCS incarnation would allow them to but with difficulty, and this behavior is already present on other SAMs in DCS. The range of GLADIATOR is about 35nmi and GIANT about 50nmi. The reality is probably more blurry than that, but nevertheless in DCS it could boast a range greater than older systems such as SA-2 or smaller contemporaries such as SA-11. Its range is said to be roughly on par with the SA-10, although its usage of semi-active missile guidance instead of PESA (as found on FLAP LID) might still manifest some important differences in DCS. Although it was developed with a higher focus on the anti-ballistic missile role than the S-300P was initially, the SA-12 is certainly still very capable against aircraft. Left to Right: HIGH SCREEN ATBM Radar, BILL BOARD Search Radar, GLADIATOR TELAR, GIANT loader-launcher, GRILL PAN Engagement Radar Benefits of Adding the SA-12 to DCS I enjoy the SA-12 featured in the High Digit SAMs mod, but that is a mod. I think there is still significant benefit for the SA-12 being added to the base game, particularly for environments which do not use mods. Having a fourth option for a "long range SAM", with different typical deployments and setups than SA-10, SA-5 and Patriot, would make this SAM unique among the others currently in DCS. In particular, mission editors could tune the system's ability to engage objects at various ranges by adjusting how many GIANT TELARs are in a group. It is also of similar era to the SA-10 and SA-11 so would fit in well for the setting. I could see the SA-12 being of interest due to the new "ARM Evasion" behavior, as this battery could relocate when threatened. In the future Dynamic Campaign, SA-12s would be of interest as they could easily relocate based on the movement of the front lines, and I have no doubt that mission creators could use a relatively mobile strategic SAM system today. While SA-10s could be set up to do this (I believe Eagle Dynamics has said that is the intent for S-300P?) the SA-12 is certainly more oriented to this sort of action, capable of relocating more quickly than an SA-10, and would cover a larger area than the SA-11. Being a tracked system rather than a wheeled system, it can also appear in more austere locations. Lastly, it has been some time since a new SAM was added to the DCS core game - about two years since the SA-5 was added. We've only seen the FIRE CAN + KS-19, technicals with ZU-23-2s, and LPWS C-RAM added since then, and a facelift for the SA-10. All are lovely additions but not as impactful as a new SAM system to fly against. So I think the community would enjoy having a new type of SAM. A GLADIATOR TELAR in the field, in the process of deploying its canisters and radar. Shout-out to Militavia who recently made an excellent video about the origins of the S-300P family and mentioned the S-300V branching from the main S-300 project. So, please consider adding the SA-12 GLADIATOR and GIANT to the DCS Core! Video of the S-300VM during a live-fire exercise:
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Great update. Questions: Shouldn't Incirlik be able to handle a C5? Did Beirut change, wasn't the A380 from CAM able to start from ramp there?
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