Flyables Selection

[klem]

as I read it.

A flyable is an aircraft for use in DCS WWii ONLY

 

A reward is an aircraft that can be used in DCS WORLD ONLY

 

When DCS WWii goes live any purchases will be valid for both WWii & WORLD

 

the other rewards are as seen.

 

So if you want P51 & FW190 in both you need to pick them in both flyables and rewards.

 

Careful, I don't believe that is the case. Luthier's up to his ears atm.

[Merlin-27]

as I read it.

So if you want P51 & FW190 in both you need to pick them in both flyables and rewards.

 

No, I believe that is incorrect. If you want to fly the P-51 or 190 BEFORE WWII is released then you need to choose the DCS P-51 or DCS 190 from the rewards section. When DCS:WWII is released those two keys will work there as well. The aircraft in the flyables section are aircraft licenses you will receive when DCS:WWII begins.

 

The bottom line is that the P-51 and 190 are both ED products. RRG is not changing them for DCS:WWII at all (according to several official posts) The "reward" element of it is that you can fly those two in DCS:World before DCS:WWII begins.

[DLDragon]

It seems that everybody has questions about this rewards and flyable plane system. Its little bit confusing me. There are 6 planes available, what should I chose if I don't want to get another P-51? As I understood everybody can fly with P-51 on WWII who has on DCS. Will I get FW-190 on first DCS release if choose FW-190 on flyable section? On rewards section, What does it mean Strategy Manual? May be somebody will advise me who and what kind of manual choose (or better to choose)?

[Merlin-27]

It seems that everybody has questions about this rewards and flyable plane system. Its little bit confusing me. There are 6 planes available, what should I chose if I don't want to get another P-51? As I understood everybody can fly with P-51 on WWII who has on DCS. Will I get FW-190 on first DCS release if choose FW-190 on flyable section? On rewards section, What does it mean Strategy Manual? May be somebody will advise me who and what kind of manual choose (or better to choose)?

 

Please read my post directly above yours.

 

If you select the FW190 from the flyable section you will receive the license for it when DCS:WWII is released by RRG. (proposed Sept 2014)

 

If you select the FW190 from the rewards section you will receive the license as soon as they are able to deliver it to you (Hopefully very soon) and will be able to fly the FW190 within DCS:World before RRG releases DCS:WWII. After DCS:WWII is released you will also be able to use the FW190 you selected there as well.

 

As far as the strategy guide, I believe this is all we know so far...

"a hard copy of the game’s air combat strategy and tactics manual"

Edited March 27, 2014 by Merlin-27

[DLDragon]

Thanks Merlin-27. Does that mean if I buy 190 before DCS WWII release (because I don't have it in rewards section) can I get another key during release of DCS WWII if I choose 190 on flyable section?

Edited March 27, 2014 by =DL=Dragon

[Merlin-27]

Thanks Merlin-27. Does that mean if I buy 190 before DCS WWII release (because I don't have it in rewards section) can I get another key during release of DCS WWII if I choose 190 on flyable section?

 

 

Yes. You should get a second license when DCS:WWII is complete if you buy the 190 from ED before then AND you choose it in the flyables section.

[Buzzles]

Incorrect I think, although I'd love to be proved wrong.

 

I don't think you'll get a second licence to do with what you will.

 

Forget the backer rewards and think about the game state:

 

DCS:WWII will launch with one free plane, ala DCS:World.

You would then need to purchase extra planes, just like DCS:World.

 

If you already own P51D and Fw190, you can use them in WWII without having to pay for those planes again.

 

Now think about the KS rewards with regards to the flyables only.

All you're getting is the WWII planes without an extra charge.

If you happen to already have the P51D or the FW190, you're not getting a second plane each. At least not as a general free key. You might get an extra WWII use only key.

 

I know it would be nice, but they'd be giving away thousands of extra free planes (only ~500 people backed below the $40 mark. 2000 at it or above), which seems a bit silly.

 

I think the only way you'll get a general do-what-you-want-with-it second key would be if you own P51D and/or Fw190 for DCS:World and have backed at a level where you get an extra reward, which is different from the flyables.

 

It's got to be like that otherwise there's going to be hundreds if not thousands of P51D's going spare, essentially wiping all value off the product as a saleable item. I doubt ED would let RRG wipe the commerical value off one of their products like that.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Buzzles

[Merlin-27]

Flyables Selection

 

Incorrect I think, although I'd love to be proved wrong.

 

I don't think you'll get a second licence to do with what you will.

 

 

So you are suggesting that even though I have qualified for 2 copies of all flyable aircraft within DCS:WWII with my contribution I will not get additional licenses for the P-51D and FW190-D9 if I also purchase them through ED before DCS:WWII is released?

 

Also, gifting aircraft is a great way to encourage future customers.

 

EDIT:

And, I've never read anything stating there will be different keys issued for DCS:WORLD & DCS:WWII

Edited March 27, 2014 by Merlin-27

[Buzzles]

So you are suggesting that even though I have qualified for 2 copies of all flyable aircraft within DCS:WWII with my contribution I will not get additional licenses for the P-51D and FW190-D9 if I also purchase them through ED before DCS:WWII is released?

 

Also, gifting aircraft is a great way to encourage future customers.

 

I am suggesting that, sort of.

 

I think you may get a second WWII-only key for the duplicate aircraft if you qualify for a second set of all the flyables.

 

As for the DCS:P51D and DCS:FW190D pre-purchases...you might get an WWII only key, but I'm fairly certain you won't get a spare DCS:P51D or DCS:FW190D key unless you've specifically chosen them as an extra reward (not as a flyable, but the other set of special rewards).

 

That said, the entire rewards thing is a bit of a mess and either of us, or even both of us could be wrong.

 

We really need RRG/ED to do a proper up to date FAQ and spell it out for us.

 

 

EDIT:

And, I've never read anything stating there will be different keys issued for DCS:WORLD & DCS:WWII

I agree I've never seen anything concrete, but read this wording straight from the KS page:

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will also distribute via a free-to-play model, with the core game available as a free download!

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The free downloadable version of Europe 1944 will include ONE fully flyable aircraft. Non-player-controllable versions of all other aircraft will also be included, allowing the players to see them in action at any time.

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Flyable versions of other aircraft will be available as a separate purchase.

There are certainly plans to sell them seperately, and it does says they'll be selling planes to support WWII module, which could imply WWII specifc keys. Edited March 27, 2014 by Buzzles
More words!

[Merlin-27]

Flyables Selection

 

That is true... I do not know for sure. However, the idea of having different keys for WORLD & WWII covering pre-existing a/c sounds like a technical/administrative nightmare. Hard for me to imagine that they would go that route.

 

Also:

 

As far as I know ED owns and distributes the P-51D and FW190-D9 keys.

 

RRG owns the rest of them which are to be released with DCS:WWII.

 

We've been told all planes will work for both environments.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Merlin-27

[Buzzles]

That is true... I do not know for sure. However, the idea of having different keys for WORLD & WWII covering pre-existing a/c sounds like a technical/administrative nightmare. Hard for me to imagine that they would go that route.

 

Also:

 

As far as I know ED owns and distributes the P-51D and FW190-D9 keys.

 

RRG owns the rest of them which are to be released with DCS:WWII.

 

We've been told all planes will work for both environments.

 

If that's right, then when WWII 'launches', in the shop we'll be seeing:

 

(Aircraft) DCS: P47

(Aircraft) DCS: ME-262

(Aircraft) DCS: Spitfire

(Aircraft) DCS: BF109k

(Map + various building models + the starter aircraft) DCS:WWII

 

With DCS FW190 and P51D already being in the shop. Potentially remove either the P47, 262, Spit or BF if they're selected as the free starter for WWII.

[Whiplash]

I think it is going to be interesting to see how having DCS:W and DCS:WWII separate will play out in multiplayer. It doesn't make much sense to me to fly any of the WWII planes in DCS:W once DCS:WWII is released, but I wonder what effect it will have on server numbers. I would almost prefer that you can only fly the WWII aircraft in DCS WWII just so there isn't a split in the server. Especially with options like CoD and BoS I would hate to see DCS:W and DCS:WWII competing for numbers as well. I almost see a better approach being that DCS:WWII as just a WWII era map that is loaded to DCS:W (much like Vegas), that way all servers show up on the same list. Maybe this is the plan but I think making them completely separate like different incompatible versions of each other is a mistake.

[Merlin-27]

I'm not sure what you mean by "shop" but...

 

From within DCS:WWII 1944 I think you will be able to purchase the P-51, Spitfire, 190, 109 and 262 and I think the P-47 will be the free aircraft.

 

Just my guess.

[HotTom]

Oh dear. Another "I want" thread. And there's noting to "want" yet.

 

Give them some time to sort it out.

[VincentLaw]

I am suggesting that, sort of.

 

I think you may get a second WWII-only key for the duplicate aircraft if you qualify for a second set of all the flyables.

I have never seen any mention of specific version keys. All module keys should work on both DCS: World and DCS: WWII. The only difference between the kickstarter rewards are the dates when you get them. The "reward" version is available as soon as the airplane is released to DCS: World, while the "flyable" version is not available until you have access to DCS: WWII.

 

Even on this thread he says it:

This is just availability date.

I do agree that the way they labeled these rewards is confusing, but the intent is clear.

Edited March 28, 2014 by VincentLaw

[Merlin-27]

Oh dear. Another "I want" thread. And there's noting to "want" yet.

 

Give them some time to sort it out.

 

Thanks for that constructive input.

 

It IS, and began AS a discussion of what aircraft will be available and how they are distributed since there is confusion remaining. It does impact selections each person makes and I see nothing wrong with this thread. I'm sure the moderators would step in if it did go in the wrong direction.

 

If you aren't curious about the details, just move along. No one has made any demands or acted impatient to any degree.

[Firefalcon]

i have to admit, that i realy dont know about the fw190 also.

 

40$ says all flyable, 80$ says fw190.

 

then again i could select the fw190 along all other A/C's.

 

with the fw190 release close (my believe!), i'm not sure what to do. i want the 190 on release, so do i have to buy it and end up with another licence some day? what shall i do?

 

*confusion*

 

and for whiplash's post, even if off topic partly, i dont understand the seperation as well, having all maps and vehicles in ONE program would be better in my opinion.

 

and whiplash, just to give you another point of view, i will most likely fly everything within DCS:World & DCS:1944, because i like just to fly most of the time, like on the VA server.

 

regards,

Firefalcon

[G00dnight]

I still say this is how it works as I read it.

A flyable is an aircraft for use in DCS WWii ONLY

 

A reward is an aircraft that can be used in DCS WORLD, my P51 key is for World only.

 

When DCS WWii goes live non backers will buy the game WWii and get 1 plane flyable in WWii or World any purchases will be valid for both WWii & WORLD

 

the other rewards are as seen. ie t-shirts, manuals.

 

So if you want P51 & FW190 in both you need to pick them in both flyables and rewards this is for Alpha or Beta access depending on your pledge.

Those that pledged the lowest will get the flyables as they are released during beta testing.

If you pledged a larger amount with Alpha access you will get the alpha versions of the planes onward.

If you pledged for DCS Planes you will be able to fly these before the game WWii is in Alpha provided they are released.

As you know the P51 is out, the FW190 may be out in World before Alpha test of WWii starts. The World FW190 may only be an Alpha test so could be nowhere near finished.

[Merlin-27]

i have to admit, that i realy dont know about the fw190 also.

 

40$ says all flyable, 80$ says fw190.

 

then again i could select the fw190 along all other A/C's.

 

with the fw190 release close (my believe!), i'm not sure what to do. i want the 190 on release, so do i have to buy it and end up with another licence some day? what shall i do?

 

*confusion*

 

and for whiplash's post, even if off topic partly, i dont understand the seperation as well, having all maps and vehicles in ONE program would be better in my opinion.

 

and whiplash, just to give you another point of view, i will most likely fly everything within DCS:World & DCS:1944, because i like just to fly most of the time, like on the VA server.

 

regards,

Firefalcon

 

 

I think you can look at it like this...

 

It has been stated officially that if you buy an aircraft such as the P-51 or FW190 it will work for both.

 

So, if you purchase the DCS: FW190 for example, from ED or via the "rewards" selection you will be able to have and fly that aircraft before WWII is released.

 

Now, if you do not pick the FW190 as a flyable and DCS:WWII 1944 is released AND you already own the FW190... Well I can't imagine they'd make you pay ED again for the same aircraft.

 

That's just my take on it.

[Altflieger]

Update #2:

We are also adding DCS World licenses to kickstarter rewards. You will receive the P-51D and the FW.190D with DCS WWII; but if you select the appropriate reward, you will also receive those licenses for DCS World. The P-51D license will be issued after the kickstarter project successfully funds. The Dora license will give the backers the option to beta test the aircraft once it enters closed beta some time this winter.

[Firefalcon]

if i take what you say, than i would understand like this:

 

there are two options:

- DCS:World FW-190

- DCS:WWII FW-190

 

if i have the WORLD version on the reward section, i can fly it as soon as it is released.

 

if i have the WWII version on the reward section, i have to wait until WWII is released.

 

fine so far, BUT:

every aircraft and map will work in both WORLD & WWII, guess that was said by ilya somewhere. taking that into account, as a 40$ baker, i will get the 190 on release of WWII and can use it in WORLD as well, as 80$ bakers will get the 190 on its on release and can use them in WORLD and WWII as well.

 

so essentialy the WORLD version would only be available earlier than the WWII version.

 

taking into account, that both "versions" are the same, and the difference comes only from the "you get your key at a different point" situation, i would understand the system, but not the logic behind it.

 

regards,

RR

[Altflieger]

God, some of you are hard work! It's assummed that after release all planes will be flyable in both worlds. The delay in clarification most likely is due to Edge. At the start of the KIckstarter, the indications were that the new Edge would be up and running before the alpha release of 1944. It isn't, which probably explains why we have no alpha or map tools yet (or map).

DCS hold the licences to P51 and the fw190 which is why if you want them before the release of 1944 you have to buy them. None of this is complicated at all to understand.

[Merlin-27]

DCS hold the licences to P51 and the fw190 which is why if you want them before the release of 1944 you have to buy them. None of this is complicated at all to understand.

 

 

Haha yes it's all so clear and simple.

 

You have to buy them IF you are not able to select them as a "reward" from the new website. Seems like you missed that part.

[Altflieger]

Doh!

[HotTom]

Thanks for that constructive input.

 

It IS, and began AS a discussion of what aircraft will be available and how they are distributed since there is confusion remaining. It does impact selections each person makes and I see nothing wrong with this thread. I'm sure the moderators would step in if it did go in the wrong direction.

 

If you aren't curious about the details, just move along. No one has made any demands or acted impatient to any degree.

 

 

Wow! Thank you Mr. Wizard! Is flapping your jaws constantly (when you admit you don't really know) a sign of intelligence? And who elected you sheriff?

 

This thread isn't a discussion and it rapidly devolved intro a whole parade of folks asking the same question and further devolving into an I want list. I would suggest that is acting impatiently (not acting impatient except, I guess, in New Jersey).

 

All I said was give them some time to work out a response. The whole flyables/rewards system was confusing even back when the Kickstarter was in full swing. It still needs to be clarified but they've said they've heard the message, so let them figure it out and respond.

Edited March 28, 2014 by HotTom