New material for flat and cylindrical displays

[The_Nephilim]

Hi guys, just to claryfy the things and sorry for the confusion my post made - the $1000 shipping is for the theoretical dome which would be quite expensive. Shipping fot the screens i actually make is around $270. The screen - if you compare it to other available products on market - is 1/5th of the price.

 

The projectors is variable in this equation - i think saying the setup will cost $5000 is really misleading because the final price really depends on what projectors you'll buy and how much you pay for it. Lots of people already have projectors so i can't imagine they would throw out their old projectors and went on to buy new ones if they can use the ones they've already got.

 

There is also the fact that if you want to build your 180 degree setup you don't have to buy everything at once. You can start with one projector on the wall which will get you going, then you can add the screen and then you can add the 2nd projector so you spread the $3K over time.

 

HuggyBear - if you'll do bit of shopping online you'll find the prices can be pretty close to what you can get on amazon and if not i can supply the BQs for $1080 with the screens.

 

 

Thank You for the Clarification. Like I been trying to say it is really not as expensive for the shipping for the 270deg. screen considering where it comes from and how large the package is probally going to be..

 

I've seen Curved screens Selling for 5,000USD and this Screen is a Fair deal.. IF I had deeper pockets I would buy this in a heartbeat..

 

 

I wish you good luck in your Endeaver and look forward to seeing your Dome setup.. :)

[johnv2pt0]

I hope your product takes off. I have experience with 3d goggles as well as hundreds of hours in military flight sims and there is nothing like a real physical setup with real distances between eye and screen and the ability to interact naturally with the cockpit around you.

 

Good luck ~

 

EDIT: Also, I read through some of the pages here...what's the beef guys? If you like goggles go with goggles...if you like screens go with screens.

Edited April 27, 2014 by johnv2pt0

[Flim]

What sims did you fly? Just curious...

 

 

Both options will have there places in the sim world... I guess it all depends on space and money at the end.

 

I would like to build a dome, like flyaces.

[johnv2pt0]

What sims did you fly? Just curious...

 

 

Both options will have there places in the sim world... I guess it all depends on space and money at the end.

 

I would like to build a dome, like flyaces.

 

Mostly Boeing's C-17 with a spattering off others in my professional career.

[MacFevre]

I tried looking at that flyaces web site. That thing, admittedly, is pretty cool. I'd like to know how they pull it off using only one projector?

[zahry]

From what I've heard and seen they are very likely using custom made convex first surface mirror to stretch the image. I'm not sure how much is the image stretched and how much warped but to cover that area and FoV I'm suspecting that with only single projector (even with 4K projector) the pixels will be size of Lego blocks - moreover the cheapest 4K projector costs $15 000,-

[zahry]

and here is the "behind the scenes". there are some losses in resolution due to double cropping (optical and software) but you can cover entire domes with it

[mr_mojo97]

That vid looks awesome. Was wondering if there would be a way to use this material in a vr headset fully wrapped around your face giving you all your periphal vision. That would be amazing

[Kuky]

Here is the A.C.E.S. in action

 

Pretty darn cool

 

 

Now, this is kind of projection I am dreaming about... and with 1 Projector only that is really remarkable (I also like the idea of not having to use many Projectors as I like to keep power usage as low as possible :))

 

Now, who can make this kind of projection not too expensive??? :helpsmilie:

[Haukka81]

But even 4k projector won't be enough for 360 dome setup if you don't wanna see legoland. You need more than one projector.

[Devon Custard]

Now, this is kind of projection I am dreaming about... and with 1 Projector only that is really remarkable (I also like the idea of not having to use many Projectors as I like to keep power usage as low as possible :))

 

Now, who can make this kind of projection not too expensive??? :helpsmilie:

 

If you could afford the projectors im sure the cost of the power is not going to bother you :thumbup:

[Kuky]

If you could afford the projectors im sure the cost of the power is not going to bother you :thumbup:

 

High electricity cost does bother me... when you buy projector cost is there once... if you fly every day and your flight setup uses lot of power it adds up and this cost is continuous... so if I can I'd like to avoid that :smilewink: Its one thing to have extra cost once off (or save up to buy something), it's another to have to have the extra cost endlessly.

 

3 projectors will use up 1Kw/h... use this every day for 10h and you end up spending average 2 people household electricity for a day... basically with settups like this you can easily almost double your power usage.

Edited May 4, 2014 by Kuky

[zahry]

That vid looks awesome. Was wondering if there would be a way to use this material in a vr headset fully wrapped around your face giving you all your periphal vision. That would be amazing

 

In theory yes but but in practice it will would be quite expensive, very awkward to wear and the technology is not quite there yet.

 

Now, this is kind of projection I am dreaming about... and with 1 Projector only that is really remarkable (I also like the idea of not having to use many Projectors as I like to keep power usage as low as possible :))

 

Now, who can make this kind of projection not too expensive??? :helpsmilie:

Good question :D. Some of the projectors are as cheap as $15K, although I don't think you will get away with less power unless you'll be prepared to settle for very dim image (bigger the image dimmer it gets - square law )

[zahry]

it's not too bad, 3 projectors usually take 0.5kW (all together) in smart eco mode. In example 50" TV takes 375W on average so the difference is negligible and you get lot more viewing real-estate (50" vs 200"). PC to run DCS on good framerates takes 0.5 -1.0kW. If you compare the price/power vs image size/resolution the projectors are far cheaper than anything else. And I would say the money spent will be well worth it. Kuky - if you'll be coming to NZ let me know - I have here the demo projection systems, TVs and rift as well so people can try it, compare and make their own opinion based on hands on experience.

 

That's the 270º/100º setup with 6K resolution (5760 x 2160)

Edit: The vertical lines are FSX frames - DCS or P3D doesn't have it -

(you can see here how the headtracking works with the big FoV - X,Y,Z)

 

Edited May 5, 2014 by zahry

[zahry]

Just remembered, there will be one trident demo screen in sydney in few days ;)

[Kuky]

Just remembered, there will be one trident demo screen in sydney in few days ;)

 

details?

[zahry]

details?

Mark Hungerford - www.rainman.tv will PM his email

[zahry]

few new pics - with dogfight boss cockpits

[bnepethomas]

Quick Q - how easy is it to cut the new material, reason for the ask is I have need to notch out some slots for overhead rails and cut some corners on an angle.

 

Thanks

Peter

[zahry]

hi peter, the 0.8mm thickness can be cut with sharp craft scissors and bit of elbow grease. The 3,8mm material needs good jig saw and bit of patience. both materials can be drilled and bent. The 0.8mm would be my choice if you want to make there some notches. what is the screen diameter you would need?

[BHawthorne]

Not to play devil's advocate, what what is the merit of this screen material vs just getting a 144 x 60" sheet of Sintra and screen painting it?

Edited October 15, 2014 by BHawthorne

[zahry]

Not to play devil's advocate, what what is the merit of this screen material vs just getting a 144 x 60" sheet of Sintra and screen painting it?

Fair question - well, everybody knows when you are shopping for monitor with best contrast you should always pick the one with blackest screen and less glare - pretty much same applies to projection screens.

 

 

apart from extremely high incident light rejection the coatings almost completely eliminate motion blur, rainbow effect and enhance projector contrast ratio - i.e. unlike on standard screen you can really see the massive difference between low contrast (500:1) and high contrast projectors (10 000:1). The coatings are also calibrated for neutral white point so if you have ICS calibrated projector the image is exactly as it should be. - not mentioning the material is incredibly tough for it's thickness so it doesn't need any tensioning yet it is flexible enough to create nice smooth curvature.

[zahry]

Not to play devil's advocate, what what is the merit of this screen material vs just getting a 144 x 60" sheet of Sintra and screen painting it?

contrast, light tolerance, colors, good smooth curved surface without tensioning, easy to build DIY frame. The Black Pearl coatings works really well with 3d as well

Edited October 29, 2014 by zahry

[bnepethomas]

hi peter, the 0.8mm thickness can be cut with sharp craft scissors and bit of elbow grease. The 3,8mm material needs good jig saw and bit of patience. both materials can be drilled and bent. The 0.8mm would be my choice if you want to make there some notches. what is the screen diameter you would need?

Thanks zahry its inside a pit on a platform (piccy attached), I thinking about doing at least the front but also the sides as well.

 

cheers

Peter

[zahry]

some new updates on the flatpack frame