X-45 Problem with V1.12a

[Ironhand]

I recall others in the past having trim problems in the Su-25 and -25T. But I don't recall that there was ever a solution found. They complained that the aircraft continued to pitch up and down wildly whenever they tried to trim. Well that is now happening to me. And I know why (at least in my situation) but don't know what to do about it.

 

I've reinstalled twice over 1.1 and also tried to rename my old X-45 file in the Input folder to the new file name. All to no avail. But here's the deal.

 

In the past, I had trim set up on the main hat switch (the one between and below the two yellow (white?) buttons). No other functions are in any way assigned to that hat switch either with or without modifiers like SHIFT, ALT, etc. And it worked fine pre-reinstall. But now using that switch causes the aircraft to constantly be out of trim. Here's why.

 

As soon as you push the switch in a direction. The trim keeps moving in that direction. Taking your finger off does not stop the trim movement. Pulling it back in the opposite direction starts the trim moving in the opposite direction. But it won't stop moving until it hits the stops. Any ideas on how to stop this and get back the discrete movements I used to have with the hat switch?

 

As a temporary solution I've remapped the trim to the second hat switch on the stick. But I'd like to get it back to where it was if possible. BTW, and this is might be an important fact, I assign buttons, etc to the stick from within the sim. Never did figure out how to use the fancy software that came with the stick.

 

Rich

[S77th-RYKE]

Hey Rich , weird problem you are having , it looks like the button is sticking , since you are not using the SST software I wonder how a command could be continually sent from the stick . Try mapping that same button to something that would show up in notepad and see if it is sending all the time.

 

Not sure why you would want to use trim as a button since it would normally trim all the time until you would release the button ,and at release I guess it resets itself to center ?

 

I mapped trim to the front rotary of my X-45 on an axis with a gentle curve and a fat deadzone , this way trim can be applied in a analog way , I can trim a little or I can trim a lot .

 

If you need advice how to set up your X-45 using the saitek software , I'd be glad to help , I can also send you my profile so you can see how I map things , I got the trim and zoom working on rotaries without jitters.

 

good luck

[zaelu]

I have those keys mapped to head moving cause I don't have a TIR but... Reading this I remembered other thing that happend to me since patch. When I am in an American fighter and I turn the gun on and I press "FIRE" it has erratic imputs at first then it shoots all the ammo out although I release the button very quick.

 

I thought I have some stick problem but in Il-2 works perfectly only in Lock On it behaves strange... Par example in Su25T when I fire the Vikhr misiles It only fires one, I have to press again for another launch

[S77th-konkussion]

Rich- I have Pitch trim assigned to the UP & DOWN from within the SST software to that same HAT. Just a regular key binding. It works fine in flankers, migs, and A10, but I have not tried this in the Tfrog as of this post.

 

You can try my page to see if anything there helps- I do cover assigning functions in the SST. If you assign it correctly- the command should NOT be executed continually. If it does- Ryke's got it- a stuck HAT.

 

http://konkussion.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=x45&action=display&thread=1130214393

[Gazehound]

I thought I have some stick problem but in Il-2 works perfectly only in Lock On it behaves strange... Par example in Su25T when I fire the Vikhr misiles It only fires one, I have to press again for another launch

Thats normal

[egaRim]

same here..

 

trim is on main hat of my X-45, assigned via SST-Software.. no problems with v1.12a in the Frog

 

The software is not really complicated.. just give it a try if you have some time left... if you're able to bomb in a russian plane (I know that's blasphemy :D) you should figure it out pretty quick ;)

[Ironhand]

Thanks guys. I suppose it could be the stick itself. But the strange thing is that it worked fine right up until the patch. I normally use that hat switch for trimming the -25 and -25T. All the rest get the rotary treatment.

 

Not sure why you would want to use trim as a button since it would normally trim all the time until you would release the button ,and at release I guess it resets itself to center ?

No. That's why I liked it. It made trimming the two Su-25s easy. It behaves (or did behave) as it does for views. It trimmed until you released and, then, stopped at that setting. Like when you slew your view. Your "head" turns until you release the hat switch. Then your head just stops turning. It doesn't recenter.

 

I'll play with it again tonight and see what I can find out. If nothing works, I'll start sending out individual pleas for help. :)

 

Thanks to all.

 

Rich

[S77th-konkussion]

Is it possible your rotary axis is interfering? If you use the rotary to trim all others except the frogs.. Is the trim axis still mapped to the rotary when you are flying the frogs, thus inputting the command?

 

By the way- assigning it in the SST means that it will hold that trim setting when you release the HAT. It does NOT return to center- unlike the rocker rudder does for me now- I have my aileron trim axis assigned to that, and it won't hold the setting on any plane.. going to fix or change that... it sucks.

[Ironhand]

Is it possible your rotary axis is interfering?...

I thought of that, too, last night. But it was late and right now i don't remember if I ever actually deselected it while troubleshooting. So I'll doublecheck that tonight. It never used to be a problem but a new patch is...well, a new patch. Who knows what a tweak here or twook there might have done.

 

Rich

[zaelu]

Well, my issue apears to be stick problem. Just got a very nice long-unwanted-that-long burst in an Bf-110. Not only different plane but different game altogether :D.

[159_Archer]

I have an X45, and I don't use the SST either; when I installed it originally, it caused an FPS hit, and nowadays I just prefer to use it with assigned shift/cntrl/alt buttons - and no modes.

 

And I too have had occaisional probs' with sticking commands. As an example; I put the ground brakes onto the main hat, and when allocated to the r/h side, it stuck the brakes on! Yet when I shifted it to the L/h side, it was fine.... and I had to move the trim for the same reason.

Now I have another command on the R/H hat, and there is no sticking.:confused:

 

Don't know what's goin' on here, but it is only an occaisional problem. (I have settled on a profile that hasn't changed for ages).

[Dudikoff]

I have an X45, and I don't use the SST either; when I installed it originally, it caused an FPS hit, and nowadays I just prefer to use it with assigned shift/cntrl/alt buttons - and no modes.

 

Have you tried Dhauzihamer's drivers and XD Profiler? I'm using it for X36, but I assume (thus, I might be wrong) they work for X45 as well.

[Ironhand]

Thanks to all who tried to help. Problem solved--somehow. Today all is well, although I did nothing other than reassign the hat switch function once again. I suspect the actual problem was that I hadn't rebooted after reinstalling the sim. While it's normally part of my reinstallation proceedure, I don't recall actually having done it this time. If I didn't, that was probably the culprit.

 

Anyway...thanks again. And sorry if I wasted anyone's time.

 

Rich

[christopher m]

X45 profiler

 

Mr. Ironhand

 

I got the X45 not long ago and found the SST profiler Manual has POV hat programming Tricks for sticky POV switches.

 

Seems it is a common problem.

 

You can program the POV hat to release the trim command when it moves back to center position.

 

I use my #2 POV for trim and don't get the problem you are talking about.

I am using 1.12a for few day's now and now problems.

 

The SST uses very little memory while running so I use it and I like the macros for chaff and such things that require multiple occurances for one push of the panic button.

 

Regards,

[S77th-Python]

it looks like the button is sticking

Iron,

I have a similar issue with the trigger button, just after installing 1.12a. Now I can blast-launch 2-3 missiles simultaneously:horseback Never had this one before... Would be a neat excuse to get a Cougar instead, but I still can't believe my X45 is dead.

[S77th-konkussion]

Before you bury it- try some WD-40. It's like duct tape in a can. :D

[S77th-RYKE]

Iron,

I have a similar issue with the trigger button, just after installing 1.12a. Now I can blast-launch 2-3 missiles simultaneously:horseback Never had this one before... Would be a neat excuse to get a Cougar instead, but I still can't believe my X45 is dead.

 

I never opened up the joystick but I did open up the throttle to clean up the pot (see here http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=13539)

 

so I'm thinking it could be something stupid like say an unsoldered wire , try to open it up and see , hey you never know ...

 

but if you do fix it don't blame me for not getting a cougar :icon_madu

[Dudikoff]

Iron,

I have a similar issue with the trigger button, just after installing 1.12a. Now I can blast-launch 2-3 missiles simultaneously:horseback Never had this one before... Would be a neat excuse to get a Cougar instead, but I still can't believe my X45 is dead.

 

I had this problem with SST and X36. Funny it didn't happen in other sims. That's why I uninstalled SST and now use Dhauzihamer's drivers and XD profiler. Same functionality, more or less. If you want some serious stuff, you can even use Hazardscript with them. It probably rivals the Cougars hand-programming possibilities.