zorlac Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Hi all Just a quick question... what units is fuel flow/use stated in? kgs/hour? kgs/minute? (or pounds/hour, pounds/min)... Anyone got any idea?
zorlac Posted February 28, 2006 Author Posted February 28, 2006 yes, yes, but in what time unit? kgs/<time-unit> pounds/<time-unit> hours? minutes? ice-ages? Until Black Shark is released? :) (EDIT: F-15 says pounds/hour... i think...)
Jay Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 AFAIK there is no fuel consumption gauge for russian planes in Lomac. The fuel quantity indicatior only indicates how much fuel is available and which tank is empty. It also shows the "fuel low" information, but not the rate of fuel consumption. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice, OC to 2,66 GHz), MSI K8N Neo Platinum (nForce 3 250 Gb), 1,5 GB Corsair PC-3200 RAM, GeForce 7800GS 256 MB VGA (G71, OC to 535/1550 MHz, ForceWare 84.21), 2 x 300 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 SATA HDD (RAID 0), SB Audigy 2 ZS, 480W Thermaltake PurePower TWV PSU, Win XP SP2, MS SideWinder Precision 2, Belkin Nostromo n52 SpeedPad, HP L1902
GGTharos Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I'm pretty sure there's a fuel flow gauge somewhere in there. I'll check later. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Woodstock Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 yes, yes, but in what time unit? kgs/<time-unit> pounds/<time-unit> hours? minutes? ice-ages? Until Black Shark is released? :) I´d say: until it´s ready... ...errr, empty, I mean...:redface: "For aviators like us, the sky is not the limit - it's our home!"
zorlac Posted February 28, 2006 Author Posted February 28, 2006 AFAIK there is no fuel consumption gauge for russian planes in Lomac. The fuel quantity indicatior only indicates how much fuel is available and which tank is empty. It also shows the "fuel low" information, but not the rate of fuel consumption. The image in the manual clearly shows fuel flow on the left vertical "tape", and fuel remaining on the right "tape". Wish I was at home to check this, but I wont get a chance to look until Thursday at the earliest... :(
Jay Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 The image in the manual clearly shows fuel flow on the left vertical "tape", and fuel remaining on the right "tape". Wish I was at home to check this, but I wont get a chance to look until Thursday at the earliest... :( Yes, the manual says this, but unfortunately it's not true :( . I found this post in the Ubisoft forum: "When the first red light (P) lights up on the fuel gauge, the external tank is empty. The 200 Km number is nothing in the sim, and in RL is a distance calculator, based on current speed and fuel flow, so it indicates how many KM you could go with your present fuel supply ( so you can select a backup airfield, or abort a mission, etc - very effective, and very useful in RL - too bad it's not implemented in the sim)." That's true, there is a 200 km displayed above the fuel quantity indicator, but actually it indicates nothing more that 200 km all the time... But may be the fuel flow gauges can be found somewhere lower on the panel, may be those vertical gauges which aren't described in the manual - I hope that someone will figure out what they indicate... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice, OC to 2,66 GHz), MSI K8N Neo Platinum (nForce 3 250 Gb), 1,5 GB Corsair PC-3200 RAM, GeForce 7800GS 256 MB VGA (G71, OC to 535/1550 MHz, ForceWare 84.21), 2 x 300 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 SATA HDD (RAID 0), SB Audigy 2 ZS, 480W Thermaltake PurePower TWV PSU, Win XP SP2, MS SideWinder Precision 2, Belkin Nostromo n52 SpeedPad, HP L1902
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 The image in the manual clearly shows fuel flow on the left vertical "tape", and fuel remaining on the right "tape". Yes, but this is incorrect, the guage only shows fuel remaining. There are two "tapes" for the simple reason that the guage is not tall enough for just one "tape", so the guage splits into two, with an overlap. Watch the fuel remaining in the MiG when the fuel goes from 4.5 tons to 3.5 tons and ditto the Su-27 from 5.5 to 2.5 tons. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
Fish Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 And the tape reflects the quantity in Kilograms, as can be seen when bitching betty tells us "Fuel 1500kilograms". I did have a thought about calculating the potential distance with a ready reconer based on throttle setting and fuel remaining. But I spoke with someone who knows a little about jet engines, and he indicated that in RL the fuel 'flow' can change for a given throttle (engine revs), temp, pressure, incline decine, ect. Maybe someone here can elaborate on how its calcualted (within the software) in lomac, and what factors affect it. Fish's Flight Sim Videos [sIGPIC]I13700k, RTX4090, 64gb ram @ 3600, superUltraWide 5120x1440, 2560x1440, 1920x1080, Warthog, Tusba TQS, Reverb VR1000, Pico 4, Wifi6 router, 360/36 internet[/sIGPIC]
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 And the tape reflects the quantity in Kilograms Yeah sorry, I missed out the word metric when I said ton. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
Cobra747 Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 where is the error? is the gauge in the picture labled wrong or did they code the gauge wrong in game and the label is correct?
nscode Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 A FS98 Su-27's I had a long time ago worked as it's described in the manual.. one bar for kg and one for flow. Don't know which one is correct. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
MonnieRock Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Hello Everyone, I have often thought to ask this but have not until I read this thread. In Lomac, does the simulator alter fuel consumption at different altitudes? For example: At 1000m the aircraft consumes xKg/per hr At 9000m the aircraft consumes xKg/per hr Can anyone verify this? Thank you, Monnie Dual Core Poll Please Vote Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb
Bublik Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Hello Everyone, I have often thought to ask this but have not until I read this thread. In Lomac, does the simulator alter fuel consumption at different altitudes? For example: At 1000m the aircraft consumes xKg/per hr At 9000m the aircraft consumes xKg/per hr Can anyone verify this? Thank you, Monnie Dual Core Poll Please Vote Yes it does alter fuel flow. Apparently, it also depends on the speed. Here is what I got for the Su-27 in LO: H = 600 m IAS,km/h TAS,km/h N1,% FF,kg/min ------------------------------------------- 300 314 66(Idle) 18 500 523 80 35 600 627 82 41 ------------------------------------------- H = 9000 m IAS,km/h TAS,km/h N1,% FF,kg/min ------------------------------------------- 300 500 66(Idle) 8 500 820 87 29 600 987 91 45 ------------------------------------------- WR=210=Vladimir http://lockon-vpg.nm.ru http://whiteravens.nm.ru http://white-ravens.com
Weta43 Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Anybody got a photo of a real cockpit? I guess if the scales match the ones in LO, the tapes are probably as modelled, if they're very different, one's likely to realy be a flow guage. Cheers.
Bublik Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 http://www.lockon.ru/img/technology/pic1_17.jpg http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Cockpits/su27-cp1.jpg WR=210=Vladimir http://lockon-vpg.nm.ru http://whiteravens.nm.ru http://white-ravens.com
Fish Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 http://homepage.eircom.net/~fish44/Pictures/su27cpt2.jpg Fish's Flight Sim Videos [sIGPIC]I13700k, RTX4090, 64gb ram @ 3600, superUltraWide 5120x1440, 2560x1440, 1920x1080, Warthog, Tusba TQS, Reverb VR1000, Pico 4, Wifi6 router, 360/36 internet[/sIGPIC]
Weta43 Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 It's a bit of a shame that the two larger photo's have different guages (pic1_17.jpg has a tape that goes 3 to 9 on the left & 0 - 4+ on the right, which would make sense with how LO models it, & su27-cp1.jpg has 1 - 7 on the left & 0 - 5 on the right, which wouldn't) The tapes aren't lined up with each other in either pic, but the power's off so who knows what they'd read with it on - they don't match as you'd expect for both reading fuel, but neither says zero as you'd expect with the engines off. But! The pic at lockon.ru doesn't have the same labels at the top of the gauge as in game - the whole cockpit is in english :-) & it's just labelled fuel. The other pic has two labels the same as in game - how's your Russian? Cheers.
nscode Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 If the second one has got left for fuel kg, and right for fuel flow... and engines are off... wonder how fast is a refueling pump:icon_karu Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
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