July 2014 Update #1

[Siq6Six]

People keep pushing misinformation. We are NOT going to be able to buy the WWII modules for $20. It's simply not true. The "$20" was attached to explain ED "values" the modules at $20 for purposes of the rewards. Hence $40 backers get 2 modules, $60 backers get 3.

 

Further, I'm reading a lot of posts with people saying "oh you thought your getting 6 planes for $40? Lol stupid!" No. When I backed it was 3 planes. Spit, tub & 109. The me262 was reached when we hit goal. I don't know at what point this "6 planes" crap came in but it certainly happened AFTER backing was complete. Even on the kickstarter page the SOONEST we were offered a DCS module was @ $65

 

$65 Backers

DCS World Tier 1. Everything at the $40 level, plus a digital copy of DCS World P-51D Mustang (on successful kickstarter completion).

 

$85 Backers

DCS World Tier 2. Everything at the $50 level, plus a digital copy of DCS World FW-190D-9 with beta access (when available in early 2014).

 

Estimated delivery: Feb 2014

Add $12 USD to ship outside the US

 

So let's just stop BSing each other here. Your not getting future discounts on planes just because you backed and you certainly didn't come into the kickstarter expecting 6 for $40. Considering the "sales" prices on the modules, even for just the 3, it wasn't far fetched. $13 & change/module. Just a little better than catching the Mustang or Warthog on sale. That's when the large majority of backers got in it. We hit the stretch goal for the me262 which just sweetened things.

 

The reason why people (like myself) are unhappy with the way this stacks isn't because we aren't getting 6 planes. It's because we're getting a smoke screen. At $40, I would have still been pleased with 2 of the original 3 and just been understanding of the fact that "ok, well at least they're honoring 50% of what was promised. I would have simply waited til the 3rd went on sale to pick it up. Instead what I got is the Dora at near full price. A plane I hadn't prepurchased nor planned on purchasing because I had very little interest in it when considering other planes I own/will own.

 

In fact I MAY had bought it on sale, but even then I would have most likely skipped it. So yes. I'm unhappy. This is why a lot of us are unhappy. Not because this magical "6" planes bs. Because we got force fed 1 plane for full price. Say what you will about us getting the 'stang key. It's worth $0 when you already have a copy. Plain and simple.

[Krause]

I don't want another Mustang. I want Dora.

 

 

Well same here. As I just said before. I backed 20usd just only for the FW 190. Having 2 keys for the Mustang now is Useless for me.

 

Not happy at all right now. I hope that ED will give us the chance to choose what airplane we want. In my case (1), the FW 190 instead of the Mustang P-51.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Krause

[YeaImRota]

Yes, let's stop BSing. On Kickstarter it was promised from the beginning:

 

Pledge $40 or more:

 

Everything at the $10 level, plus a digital copy of all flyable aircraft in the game (this will grow with the stretch goals and possibly end up offering a huge value!)

 

See ALL flyable aircraft in the game, even B-17 if it had raised so much money to reach that strech goal. That higher pledges also got DCS World planes or beta access is different story, but on Kickstarter it was clearly promised from the beginning that $40 would get you all flyable planes in DCS: WWII Europe 1944.

 

Yeah, what the ****? I pledged $40 to get all the planes and now this is going to change? Well. guess I learned my lesson to never fund a project again. Nice job ED. I already own the P-51 which I purchased for full price. We should at least get the choice of two planes if you're going to **** us like this.

[NineLine]

Under the old structure $40 got you all aircraft... The Dora and Stang where ok only for DCS WWII... But thats old news now...

[NineLine]

Please try and express your opinions in a mature respectful manner, blanking out profanity with * is not mature... ED wants to hear your opinion, only without the snide comments... Trust me... It will go farther

[Siq6Six]

Edit: I stand corrected

Edited July 8, 2014 by Siq6Six

[CaldurSeer]

Will be a possibility to move from one tier level to another? In my case I paid $ 10 for KS and i would like to pay another $ 10 to get at least a Normandy map (i already have P-51).

[NineLine]

Siq... Fair enough, but you need to relax as well, we got it, you are upset. No need to carry on like this....

Edited July 8, 2014 by NineLine

[NineLine]

Will be a possibility to move from one tier level to another? In my case I paid $ 10 for KS and i would like to pay another $ 10 to get at least a Normandy map (i already have P-51).

I doubt it at this point.

[xcom]

I agree totally... I chose the $40 option because it was a deal I just could not pass up... $40 for 6 DCS level aircraft... I just couldnt pass that up.

 

I probably knew in my heart it wasnt to be... and to be honest at this point, I would just be happy with the WWII project completing... I would love to be able to pick my own aircraft too, but in the same breath, I want a health ED to deliver the goods.

 

Well same here. As I just said before. I backed 20usd just only for the FW 190. Having 2 keys for the Mustang now is Useless for me.

 

Not happy at all right now. I hope that ED will give us the chance to choose what airplane we want. In my case (1), the FW 190 instead of the Mustang P-51.

 

 

I also backed at 40$ as it was a deal I couldn't pass :pilotfly: and I really wanted to back the DCS:WWII project, now I understand that financially it is not possible :doh: and that is reasonable, it was way to good to be true anyway.

 

I also have the P-51D already, please reconsider allowing to switch airplanes.

As this now being developed by ED, it should not matter which airplane we pick it should be all the same when setting and building your new financial map for the future, this should be allowed!:huh:

[ishtmail]

Correct.. Seems people keep overlooking that point. Mustang and Dora were not part of the "All flyable" crafts mentioned. Only where they were specifically mentioned were they available. "All flyable aircraft" meant the p-47, P-51 & 109. Then any aircraft added with stretch goals.

 

People need to stop using false facts and invalid arguments to twist things around in an attempt to make those unhappy with this to look like we're greedy, selfish or ignorant.

 

No, that's completely wrong.

 

P51D and Dora were a part of the 'all flyables'. By backing at $40 level, you would get:

 

DCS:WW2 game

+ Dora for DCS:ww2

+ P51D for DCS:ww2

+ BF109k

+ Spitfire

+ P47

+ ME262

 

All of these FOR DCS:WW2 game. Six DCS level airplanes in all, but only for DCS:WW2.

 

Dora and P51D were additionally available in higher pledges, but for DCS:World.

 

 

 

Just so we're absolutely clear. 6 airplanes for $40, but only within the WW2 game.

 

 

This from the Kickstarter page:

Flyable Aircraft:

 

Republic P-47D-28 Thunderbolt;

Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX;

Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4;

Focke-Wulf FW.190D-9 (from DCS: World);

North-American P-51D Mustang (from DCS: World).

 

Non-Flyable Aircraft:

 

Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress;

Messerschmitt Me.262A-1.

 

ME262 was then unlocked as a flyable in a stretch goal.

[Siq6Six]

So I should not respond to posts when people are flat out wrong in their comments about this situation? I spoke my piece before, but since have read post after post of people repeating misinformation. (I'm assuming misinformation & not that they are intentionally making up facts.) so I brought the facts. I've corrected people.

 

In fact there was another thread where this "$20" meme was being pushed. It was corrected and then the thread disappeared. I'm guessing merged with this one since it's where I end up when clicking on it. I understand merging due to similarity of the topic but it should have been left alone. The correction was within the first 5 or 6 posts. Now it's buried here amongst 20-some and growing pages.

[ishtmail]

So I should not respond to posts when people are flat out wrong in their comments about this situation?

 

You should not respond with false information.

[ishtmail]

I doubt it at this point.

 

Yeah, I doubt it as well, although I would at this point very much like to increase my pledge from $80 to $140.

 

I have no problem paying full price for the two missing planes (P47 and ME262), but that won't grant me alpha access to those two planes, or the Normandy map.

[peker]

Getting donation back

 

I'm very disappointed your last post and I feel cheated

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2110895&postcount=1

 

Not for two aircraft i donated the contribution !!!!!! :(

 

I donated $ 40 in order to receive certain compensation

 

Promise must comply you have to stand your promises

 

And if you can not , return the money those interested - i am one of them

 

 

thanx

Edited July 8, 2014 by peker

[tobaschi]

So I should not respond to posts when people are flat out wrong in their comments about this situation? I spoke my piece before, but since have read post after post of people repeating misinformation. (I'm assuming misinformation & not that they are intentionally making up facts.) so I brought the facts. I've corrected people.

 

In fact there was another thread where this "$20" meme was being pushed. It was corrected and then the thread disappeared. I'm guessing merged with this one since it's where I end up when clicking on it. I understand merging due to similarity of the topic but it should have been left alone. The correction was within the first 5 or 6 posts. Now it's buried here amongst 20-some and growing pages.

 

you are wrong because you responded with wrong informations

[NineLine]

Yeah, I doubt it as well, although I would at this point very much like to increase my pledge from $80 to $140.

 

I have no problem paying full price for the two missing planes (P47 and ME262), but that won't grant me alpha access to those two planes, or the Normandy map.

I wish ED set up the KS from the beginning... But this is were its at now... Correct info is in OP.

[LukeFF]

May want to unsticky Luthier's posts here in light of this new information. ;) (Not to mention, there are far too many stickied threads in this particular subforum, IMO).

[komemiute]

I just fail to see how a plane key is not equal to another plane key.

 

I do not want 4 planes. I just want one. But not one I have already.

The original plan was for my tier to be able to pick a plane.

 

The one I want, the P47, is a looong time in the coming and I have no issues with that. I can wait until the whole thing is done.

I'm not stomping feet.

 

I just want to understand why would be such a loss to have a key for a key.

 

I'm being calm but resolute. I'm not stirring up anything.

I've bought almost everything from the ED shop. I think I deserve the right to be treated coherently.

 

Just let me pick one out of the ones being developed. Time is not a factor.

Please, let's be resonable.

[komemiute]

That was a proper answer, that is what we know right now...

 

It is "technically" an answer.

What I'm afraid, based on my recollection of the newsletter sent from Luthier about the development, it's that the map is actually pretty small.

 

 

Since the rough estimate of the value of this map is known... can we have the same rough estimate of the size?

I tried to find answers but I couldn't find any...

 

Can anyone help at this point?

[Siq6Six]

No, that's completely wrong.

 

Edit: I've been corrected. I was wrong about flyable crafts.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Siq6Six

[[DBS]TH0R]

May want to unsticky Luthier's posts here in light of this new information. ;) (Not to mention, there are far too many stickied threads in this particular subforum, IMO).

 

Seconded.

[ishtmail]

This is where RRG was vague and many misunderstood what they were getting into. You have to look beyond that small box there and read into the rewards and the rest of the page. The "all flyable" planes referred to planes THEY created. That was from the start. Then the confusion about whether people could fly the Dora or Mustang. Later they increased rewards and added all that extra crap. Including DCS keys. That's why they noted "DCS: World" next to the Dora & Mustang in that list. That's why "campaign for flyable planes" only listed 3 planes. That's why it CLEARLY STATES @ the $65 & $85 backing that you could get a DCS key. Not "an extra" key.

 

Example.

$85 backing:

DCS World Tier 2. Everything at the $50 level, plus a digital copy of DCS World FW-190D-9 with beta access (when available in early 2014).

 

So the Dora +lvl 50. What's $50 come with...

$50:

Everything at the $40 level, plus a custom-designed project backer T-shirt.

 

Ok. So a Dora key, a custom t-shirt and all @ $40. What's $40?

 

$40:

Everything at the $10 level, plus a digital copy of all flyable aircraft in the game (this will grow with the stretch goals and possibly end up offering a huge value!)

 

Ok. So @ $85 you get a Dora + a shirt + "all flyable aircraft". If all flyable included a Dora & Mustang, why not stop at $50? Spend $35 for a second copy of the Dora? No.

 

I'm sorry that there is confusion here, but I'm not spreading bad info.

 

You have completely misunderstood the rewards.

 

At $40 level, you would get SIX airplanes, for DCS:WW2 (when DCS:WW2 is released).

At higher pledge levels, you would also get serials for Dora and P51D, but for use in DCS:World.

 

More from the Kickstarter page:

 

Here's what you'll be able to fly:

 

$0 (non-backer): ONE aircraft (either P-47, Spitfire, or Bf.109, to be voted for by backers)

 

$1: THREE aircraft (P-47, Spitfire, and Bf.109)

 

$20: FOUR aircraft (P-47, Spitfire, Bf.109, plus one more of your choice)

 

$30: FIVE aircraft (P-47, Spitfire, Bf.109, plus two more of your choice)

 

$40: ALL aircraft (all aircraft in the initial release)

 

As you can see, the $20 level of pledging already granted you FOUR airplanes (so, P47, Spit, BF109 and potentially ME262).

 

Why then would anyone back at $40 level?

That's right, to get SIX airplanes (that includes P51D and Dora). But they would only be flyable in the STANDALONE GAME DCS:WW2.

 

For those of us who wanted to pledge more, the incentive was to get serials for these two airplanes, for use in DCS:WORLD, which was at the time of Kickstarter a separate game from WW2.

 

Why select the higher pledge tiers? Here is why, it's well explained on Kickstarter:

I don't understand the DCS World P-51 and FW.190D-9 Extras

 

DCS WWII will come out next year. DCS World is available now. You can already fly the P-51 in DCS World, while the FW.190D-9 will come out early next year, well before the release date of DCS WWII.

 

If you wish to fly these aircraft earlier, you can select these rewards now. The P-51 license will be issued to you soon after the Kickstarter campaign ends, while the FW.190D-9 license will be issued early next year when the DCS World version of the aircraft will become available.

 

Please understand, that during Kickstarter, there was a distinct differentiation between DCS:WW2 and DCS:World, two completely separate games. Both would use the same engine, but would be separate games.

That's why you have "DCS:World" tiers of pledging: extra planes mentioned there are only for DCS:World (as you already get them for DCS:WW2).

 

 

More so, here is my $80 Backer Section screenshot, where I selected my rewards... Note that there are separate sections for 'Flyables' and for 'Rewards'. In Flyables, you selected the DCS:WW2 airplanes (SIX of them), while in Rewards, you could select the DCS:World serials for Dora and P51D.

 

 

I have seen people with $40 level of backing, who don't have any 'Rewards' to choose from, but they do have SIX flyable airplanes for DCS:WW2 to select.

[ishtmail]

Here's a screenshot borrowed from Witchking, proving what I'm saying:

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2101385&postcount=47

[Siq6Six]

Your right about the 6. I'm wrong. I have that same page, btw. I finally received access to my backer page last week and was the first I'd seen of getting more than the RRG 4. In fact I chose none because it seemed an error. Tho they are listed as "WWII".

 

I dug through old posts, nothing with solid confirmation one way or another. Finally found the specifics in one of their KS updates. He does in fact list the "WWII" P-51 & Dora counterparts as available. I backed @ the 3 when "stretch goal planes" were all that was extra.