New RAM Causes BIOS Reset

[Devrim]

Hi...

 

I've bought new 2x4GB RAM, I have already 2x4GB RAM.

Problem is that after pressing power button, BIOS goes in reset cycle for every 2 secs.

 

Normally there's no problem with my system. It works great with DCS for example.

 

My system is:

Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD4-B3 - BIOS already updated!

Intel Core i7-2600 @3.4GHz

650W PSU

Corsair Veng. 8GB @1600MHz. - currently installed RAM

Asus nVidia GTX560 DCU II TOP GDDR5 1GB

Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB SSD

Win7 Home Pr. x64

 

DxDiag is attached.

 

What did I do?

I reset all BIOS settings - no luck.

Removed BIOS battery - no luck.

I installed

only

new ones to make sure new RAM cards are OK, system worked properly. New modules are OK.

Removed all cards. Installed only 4GB old RAM, system works. Later installed 4GB

new

RAM, system fails! (BIOS starts to reset!)

 

What do you think about the problem? Anyone can help me?

 

 

RAM Modules:

Above > NEW,

Below > OLD

DxDiag.txt

Edited August 17, 2014 by Devrim
Update problem status: Nothing solved!

[Falcon_S]

Are you try reset bios? ...EDIT: i saw you are reset it...sry.

[Devrim]

I just removed the battery for a few minutes, and plus reset to factory setting - no luck...

Is there different way to reset? I couldn't see any switch, button or pin...

[xxJohnxx]

Does the board beep at you?

 

EDIT: Try and use one of the new RAMs, and test all the slots with it. I had a board where one of the slots died on me, therefore it wouldn't boot anymore.

[Flagrum]

I am no hardware guy, but because of that I memorized one rule of thumb: never mix different RAM modules - even if they are made by the same manufacturer.

 

So, the picture suggest, that they are not exactly the same modules. Are you at least sure that the specifications are 100% identical?

 

I don't think that the problem is somewhere within the BIOS as such. The BIOS just can't cope with the (mix of) old and new memory modules.

 

RAM Modules:

Above > NEW,

Below > OLD

[txmtb]

Some things to try.

Try booting with just the new ones installed, just to make sure they do work.

Then make sure you are matching up the pairs when they are all installed, red ones in slots 1 & 3, black in 2 & 4 or vice versa, some motherboard connectors are color coded to indicate pairs.

Manually set the timings, voltage, according to the specs, and turn off XMP in the bios to set them all identical.

[Devrim]

Does the board beep at you?

 

EDIT: Try and use one of the new RAMs, and test all the slots with it. I had a board where one of the slots died on me, therefore it wouldn't boot anymore.

No, no any warning beep. Tested all modules individually on each slot.

Shortly, if I don't mix old and new ones they work with pair. I mean only old couple RAMs on motherboard works, only new couple RAMs on motherboard works - on all slots (1&3 or 2&4 doesn't matter). When I install one of old and one of new module, system fails. Slots are OK. :\

 

...So, the picture suggest, that they are not exactly the same modules. Are you at least sure that the specifications are 100% identical?...

No, they're not 100% same modules. I think it's almost impossible to find old modules today. All (old & new) modules 1600 Mhz, CL9 etc. etc. I told to seller man about my current modules and asked him about compatibility or possible problems. His opinion was that there was not any reason to encounter a problem... :(

 

...Try booting with just the new ones installed, just to make sure they do work.

Then make sure you are matching up the pairs when they are all installed, red ones in slots 1 & 3, black in 2 & 4 or vice versa, some motherboard connectors are color coded to indicate pairs.

Manually set the timings, voltage, according to the specs, and turn off XMP in the bios to set them all identical.

I tried some test. All modules (with pair) works properly, but I must check other options you talked about. Thanks for hints. :)

 

***

 

And, thank you so much friends, for your attention and helps. :thumbup:

[SkateZilla]

I told to seller man about my current modules and asked him about compatibility or possible problems. His opinion was that there was not any reason to encounter a problem...

 

 

Mixing Ram is typically not a good thing,

 

There's prolly a timing conflict between the 2 types.

 

Could be many things really.

 

DDR Type, Frequency, Timings, Voltage, Mainboard Compatibility, etc.

There are several Timings that arent Listed on the Product Label

 

So they can both be 9-9-9-24 1.5V DDR3-1600MHz but they can still be in compatible with each other.

 

I build Systems Professionally, and it's always been a rule NOT to mix brands.

 

 

And Both Model Numbers are Still Active SKUs from Corsair.

 

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

MSRP: $99.99 ( I can find online as low as $89.99)

 

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9

MSRP: $94.99 ( I can find online as low as $89.99 ).

 

 

Neither of these Modules isn on the Certified RAM List

 

 

Also Things to Try:

 

-Boot one Set, Change Everything from XMP or Manual Settings to AUTO, Shut down Add 2nd Set

 

-Boot one Set, Change Speed to DDR3-1333, Several Corsair DDR3-1600 Sets on the Certified List are said to Run at DDR3-1333 when Running 4 sticks.

Edited August 16, 2014 by SkateZilla

[TaliG]

Hi Devrim!

 

Pls follow these steps...

 

1. Disconnect the power button cable from the mobo and start the PC by shorting the pins with a metal object. (believe me I ve seen power and reset buttons fail, and they are a pain in the but to figure out if u dnt check them from the beginning)

If no deference, reconnect.

 

2. Test avry memory slot by connecting only one module at a time to each one of the slots.

(always drain the remaining current from the psu before you do this)

If all slots are fine (PC boots with only one module inserted in all of the slots)

your mobo is ok (slots have no broken traces)

 

3. Insert modules like in the picture below if u didnt already... :

 

 

4. If u still have problem, then boot with 1 module into the bios, and disable ''dual channel mem support'', then insert all modules and reboot.

[cichlidfan]

I am inclined to side with Skatezilla on this one. The most likely cause is that the memory is just enough different to cause the mobo to have issues. Especially since it will work with either pair.

[TaliG]

Yes , Skate is right.

This is the main reason why manufacturers sale dual and quad channel mem kits. Those kits are tested and certified to work dual or quad channel.

But if u disable dual channel support they all work perfectly well. I dnt know the exact impact on game performance though..

[TaliG]

Sorry, previews picture for connecting the modules was wrong :blush:

this is the ''recommended'' way...

 

 

 

 

Anyway, if u disable dual channel support from inside the bios I think u will be fine...

[Thick8]

Did you manually set your memory voltage to 1.65 volts?

[Devrim]

Guys! I don't know how I can thank you! Really appreciated.

...Mixing Ram is typically not a good thing...

Actually I know it. More precisely, obviously I thought I knew it. I thought if some names and some specs were same, it would work... Wrong... :\

 

Tali; I install card as the way in your second image.

 

No, I didn't Thick. 1.65 isn't too much?

 

Well... I've just come home. I'll try all your suggests on my system and report back friends.

 

Thanks again. See you.

[Devrim]

YESSS!

 

 

...DDR Type, Frequency, Timings, Voltage, Mainboard Compatibility, etc...

 

...Also Things to Try: -Boot one Set, Change Everything from XMP or Manual Settings to AUTO, Shut down Add 2nd Set

 

-Boot one Set, Change Speed to DDR3-1333, Several Corsair DDR3-1600 Sets on the Certified List are said to Run at DDR3-1333 when Running 4 sticks.

Thank you SkateZilla! I decided to modify the timings and whatever it needs manually. And it works.

 

My steps, below:

 

These two shots are my old (currently using) RAM modules info:

 

 

 

And these are new RAM modules info:

 

 

 

I randomly selected a method (?) that is equaling new modules to old ones.

 

When installed, I noted down old modules' values on a paper. I removed them and installed new ones.

 

I entered Advanced Memory Settings page and set this option Expert to access values to edit.

 

...and edited necessary(different) values. Saved it and rebooted.

 

Voilaa!!! Now all modules works together perfectly!

 

One of values seems still 174, not 108 though... Confused...

 

Anyway!

 

Now, it's early morning and I have to sleep. I didn't test all of them with DCS or any software. I hope they will work properly.

 

And I'll try to increase the frequency 1600MHz. When I try to do that timing values change, so I need to re-equalize them according to new (overclocked) values. :)

 

I hope it will work with same method.

 

Thank you guys! who gave attention to my problem and try to solve it...

Thanks. :)

Edited August 17, 2014 by Devrim

[BitMaster]

Yes, this can be tricky down to a point where you happily give all modules to a friend ( for some bucks ) and get a 4-module kit that matches.

 

I just built a rig for a friend, Asus Z97-Pro, i5 CPU, 8GB, PSU...all new..and guess what

 

I put the RAM in, powered it up and got stuck in RAM-Integrity test, it wouldn't even go to Bios.

 

I then did ALOT of things to fix it, as I thought none of the parts are broken. It turned out, with 3 x 2-Pack of RAMs ( all DDR3, all working in other PC's ) that the mobo ONLY booted with ONE module in only ONE slot ( the slot that Asus doesn't want you to insert a single module ).

As soon as 2 were installed, BANG, stuck...

 

OK, I finally gave in, drove back to my wholesales people and got a new board... FIXED.

 

In same scenarios, the slots are broken and there is nothing you can do but exchange the faulty piece.

 

Afaik the 2 Dual-Slots can run on different settings, just not among one pair. If that would be a good idea to do, I don't think so. But your RAM seems to be very alike and thus you should be able to get it stable, even when OCed.

 

Trying to use the SPD-Chip/XMP values aint a bad idea to fine-tune the chip settings.

 

Fiddle, fiddle, curse, fiddle some more...and eventually it will work

 

Welcome to the world of hardware and Bios settings, even worse than those D3D acronyms, settings and what not else ...LoL

 

Bit

[Dauntless]

:thumbup:

[Devrim]

...Welcome to the world of hardware and Bios settings...

Thanks Bit. :)

 

In 90s we were struggling different hardware issues, today still continuing to wrestling...

 

Finally, I managed to set a balance between four modules at 1600 MHz! Entered a server, and tested DCS World, everything works fine. No BSOD or something. All happy!!!

:thumbup:

 

Thanks all.

 

Best wishes... :pilotfly:

[Devrim]

...No BSOD or something. All happy!!!...

I'm wrong again!

 

I encountered with BSOD twice in random times. Very interesting, I joined VA Server for 20 minutes, nothing happened, all fine. Later logged in Facebook. After 15 mins while watching a video, boom!

 

I'm tired. You're tired. :) I can't live with that. I returned RAM modules back. That's it. :(

 

Case closed I think...

[Falcon_S]

It could be a million stupid things and always is a something little ...

 

Look at what this guy says:

I finally fixed my boot loop problem with my Gigabyte Z69XP motherboard smile.gif Turns out that the issue was with the "Power On By Mouse" feature in bios. When it is set to ON, my computer will reset during the initial boot phase 25% to 75% of the time. When I turn it off, no more boot looping!

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1034724/gigabyte-p67-z68-boot-cycling-problem/770#post_17097118

[Devrim]

It could be a million stupid things and always is a something little ...

 

Look at what this guy says: http://www.overclock.net/t/1034724/gigabyte-p67-z68-boot-cycling-problem/770#post_17097118

Thanks Falcon, but I always set "disable" those options like this. Also, "wake with keyboard" or "Wake up LAN" etc. lots of options are disabled.

 

No, this was really memory management issue. My current RAM modules are not available in my country. Maybe I'll buy them from amazon.co.uk, but the custom service in my country is really a pain in a$$. I can't trust them... ...

[SkateZilla]

I'm wrong again!

 

I encountered with BSOD twice in random times. Very interesting, I joined VA Server for 20 minutes, nothing happened, all fine. Later logged in Facebook. After 15 mins while watching a video, boom!

 

I'm tired. You're tired. :) I can't live with that. I returned RAM modules back. That's it. :(

 

Case closed I think...

 

What was the actual cause of the Blue Screen?|

 

I've had to disable Hardware Acceleration on my browsers because AMD's drivers would trigger a blue screen every time.

[Devrim]

Hmmm. I checked my browser and, "Use hardware acceleration when available" is checked.

Was it really it, you think?

 

Honestly I didn't glance at details of BSOD, because of anger. :\

[Falcon_S]

Devrim, try to set the Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) to "Manual", then set the Memory Frequency (Mhz) to 1333Mhz. Leave the DRAM Timing Selectable to "Auto".

[Devrim]

BIOS fails to boot up even at 1333MHz., if I set it "Auto". The only way to make system work is setting detail timing values, unfortunately.

 

Also, actually I prefer go with 8GB at 1600MHz. instead 16GB at 1333MHz. - am I right or wrong buddy?