Lixma 06 Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 How come it can't filter out friendly aircraft but it can filter out friendly ground radars ?
Kusch Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Only for real. Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 How come it can't filter out friendly aircraft but it can filter out friendly ground radars ? It actually the Ground units radar filtering YOU out, they know you are friendly (IFF), so don't paint you with the radar. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
dynamocl Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Ground targets wont lock on you becuase they are AI and have more sense to fire on a friendly target. Other humans in multiplayer, well, they are likely to do the opposite. It's useful to know when someone locks you up or paints you, enemy or not. You can then tell them buddy spike, only for them to ignore the message and shot anyway. Basically ground units wont show up because they are not looking for you (assume IFF working), friendly aircraft, mostly humans will lock you up. Edit, basically what Nate said. (posted at same time)
Lixma 06 Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 It actually the Ground units radar filtering YOU out, they know you are friendly (IFF), so don't paint you with the radar. Nate I understand that as far as being 'locked' by the radar, but it must be something in your aircraft that filters out the friendly 'search' radars. Maybe the RWR is 'tuned' to avoid known Russian search radar frequencies or something ? If so, why can't it do the same for friendly a/c ?
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 I understand that as far as being 'locked' by the radar, but it must be something in your aircraft that filters out the friendly 'search' radars. Maybe the RWR is 'tuned' to avoid known Russian search radar frequencies or something ? If so, why can't it do the same for friendly a/c ? Hmmm .....Uh .......Good point. I don't know. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Ironhand Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 How come it can't filter out friendly aircraft but it can filter out friendly ground radars ? Because it wasn't modeled in the sim. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Manta Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Rich, how does it work in real life? Does RWR filters Friendly emissions both airborne or @ ground, or not? :confused: 150GCT_Manta http://www.150gct.it/
nscode Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 There seems alot about SPO-15 to be modeled wrongly, or not modeled at all. For instance, I read somewhere that when your radar is on, you can't pick up signals coming head on becouse front SPO's antennas are turned off to prevent false readings from your own radar. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Force_Feedback Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 I read about some upgrade to the Mig-29 or su-25 in Romania, and it was said that the RWR was tuned to receive warnings from Soviet made radars as well, so I guess it didn't pick up some radars, but the article didn't say what kind of radars. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
GGTharos Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 There seems alot about SPO-15 to be modeled wrongly, or not modeled at all. For instance, I read somewhere that when your radar is on, you can't pick up signals coming head on becouse front SPO's antennas are turned off to prevent false readings from your own radar. That's true for all RWRs. However the radar's transmit cycle is so fast that you can cycle between RWR/Radar/ECM a hundred times a second ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Yes, I know it can be done, bot does SPO-15 do it? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Ironhand Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Rich, how does it work in real life? Does RWR filters Friendly emissions both airborne or @ ground, or not? AFAIK, and this is general rather than specific, an RWR is tunable for certain radar types. So you could, for instance, tune it not to report an Su-27's radar. But that would apply equally to both friendly and unfriendly Su-27 radars. So that would be unwise in a conflict where the aircraft was used on both sides. AFAIK, there is no IFF for the RWR. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
GGTharos Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Yes, I know it can be done, bot does SPO-15 do it? Yes, it does. There was a report on Russian aircraft which really left a whole lot knowledge out ... I got takenin by it,too. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
SwingKid Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 One Russian MiG-29 manual warns that the fighter's radar may interfere with the RWR, but actual MiG-29 pilots insist that this was written from exaggerrated paranoia of the designer, and is actually never a problem in practice. The pilots do say that the fighter's onboard active ECM interferes with the RWR in the forward hemisphere, however, so for this reason the ECM can be restricted for use in the fighter's rear hemisphere only. Plenty of room there for an honest translation mix-up there, somewhere along the line.. -SK
britgliderpilot Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I read about some upgrade to the Mig-29 or su-25 in Romania, and it was said that the RWR was tuned to receive warnings from Soviet made radars as well, so I guess it didn't pick up some radars, but the article didn't say what kind of radars. Somewhere there's a picture of a Beriosa RWR with the radar type lights on the bottom properly labelled. It's not as simple as "ground radar", "air radar", "EWR radar" on that pic . . . . each light has a number of possible units attached to it. Guessing that's more related to type of radar - frequency band/PRF, perhaps? Anyway, picking up the radar isn't the problem - identifying and displaying the signal is. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
britgliderpilot Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Have found the Beriosa page in the Su27 flight manual - I can't read Russian, but it occurs to me that the labels on the radar type lights seem to match radar bands. They're labelled N, 3, X, H, F, and C (allowing for Cyrillic, sorry for the sacrilege) . . . . and I recognise at least some of these. So the RWR doesn't seem to identify aircraft painting you . . . . it identifies the radar band only. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
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