Visible radar scanning area wish

[Exorcet]

I'll take the opportunity to explain my comment a bit clearer... as a "training tool", it could have merit.

 

- but (as others pointed out "arcade/ game mode) to have such to make things easier and used as such, without any thoughts of "training" or "learning"... might as well just reduce it to a true arcade version and place in the appropriate media. is the stem of the comment.

 

(if its been asked for before and rejected, there is probably a reason why perhaps)

 

cheers

Realism is judged by the most realistic settings. As long as this can be turned off it reduces the simulation in no way whatsoever. There is no downside besides dev time to code the feature.

[Wolf Rider]

downside, for one, would be lack of (no incentive to produce) appropriate training mission.

 

two, client side cheat factor

 

 

Realism is judged by the most realistic settings. ~

 

three, how realistic is it having a green rectangle projected out in front?

Edited September 29, 2014 by Wolf Rider

[Sceptre]

downside, for one, would be lack of (no incentive to produce) appropriate training mission.

 

two, client side cheat factor

 

 

 

 

three, how realistic is it having a green rectangle projected out in front?

 

Did you not read his post? It's not like we would have this force on all the time. DCS has option for aircraft labels but you can turn off, if you wish, for realism. It would be the same with this, and I would like to have visible radar box for all DCS plane that has radar, but of course with the option to turn it off in the settings.

 

And about the language issue, I think a Chinese and Japanese section of forum would be welcome, I know some people who would like that.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Sceptre

[Wolf Rider]

Did you not read his post?

~

 

did you not read mine? :huh:

[Sceptre]

did you not read mine? :huh:

 

You said "three, how realistic is it having a green rectangle projected out in front?"

 

But it is said by many people that it doesn't matter, because if you don't want it you can turn off in the options? Unlimited ammo is also unrealistic but it's still in the game and it helps for training missions.....

[Wolf Rider]

I actually wrote more than that, Sceptre...

 

anyways, there's those two magic words again... "Training Missions". Properly made Tutorials (in general) would be nice too ;) better than "arcade (as described by your other many people)" gimmickry.

 

now, let us not bifurcate the thread into a quagmire, just because you don't appreciate someone else having an opinion different to yours, Sceptre. I can see a merit in it (as posted earlier, if you've read through properly), I can also see a downside in it, let it be at that.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Wolf Rider

[Sceptre]

just because you don't appreciate someone else having an opinion different to yours, Sceptre.

 

:noexpression:

Man I cannot understand your posts very well.... it is like you agree with me but disagree at the same time..... guess I need to work on my English more :)

[Exorcet]

downside, for one, would be lack of (no incentive to produce) appropriate training mission.

I don't see this happening. You will have people who want their green box, people who don't, and people who will want both. These people will exist with or without the green box anyway. How others train shouldn't have any impact on anyone else anyway.

 

Also consider that if you were a pilot training how to fly an aircraft, you'd have access to software like DCS (possibly better, military grade software) that could project for you images like a green box for radar coverage.

 

two, client side cheat factor

This is a failing of anti-cheat measures. This will introduce another point of failure I guess, but it won't create any new problems.

 

 

 

three, how realistic is it having a green rectangle projected out in front?

In a piece of software, very realistic, there's nothing that would prevent from being visible.

[Wolf Rider]

perhaps you'd like auto targeting as well, perhaps? :D

[Sceptre]

perhaps you'd like auto targeting as well, perhaps? :D

 

no because this does not help newcomers to learn the aircraft, but visible radar box does.

[Wolf Rider]

no because this does not help newcomers to learn the aircraft,

 

Thank you for making my point, Sceptre :music_whistling:

 

but visible radar box does.

 

no difference between them.... nice try though :thumbup: too bad about the double bind :cry:

[ArcticSilence]

You will have people who want their green box, people who don't, and people who will want both. These people will exist with or without the green box anyway.

 

There's my new signature :D

[Sceptre]

 

no difference between them.... nice try though :thumbup: too bad about the double bind :cry:

 

What?

[Weta43]

Because he doesn't think a green box will help newcomers, and you say auto radar wouldn't help newcomers, and you say that things that don't help newcomers shouldn't be included, in his mind you've trapped yourself and given him a point...

 

and points are important in this world :)

 

I can see why you think it might be a training aid, but I suspect it would be a hard crutch to transition off - pointing your radar would become a visual thing ,where it needs to be something you're aware of in other ways..

[Sceptre]

Because he doesn't think a green box will help newcomers, and you say auto radar wouldn't help newcomers, and you say that things that don't help newcomers shouldn't be included, in his mind you've trapped yourself and given him a point...

 

and points are important in this world :)

 

I can see why you think it might be a training aid, but I suspect it would be a hard crutch to transition off - pointing your radar would become a visual thing ,where it needs to be something you're aware of in other ways..

 

Thanks for explaining it!

[Frostie]

Thank you for making my point, Sceptre :music_whistling:

 

 

 

no difference between them.... nice try though :thumbup: too bad about the double bind :cry:

 

Poppy cock, one of the biggest problems beginners have with radar is understanding elevation and azimuth. Auto locking a target teaches you nothing and nobody should have issues with locking contacts. These two are totally different.

 

When a beginner sees a label out in front of him and switches on his radar not being able to see the contact brings confusion and posts too the forum followed by tracks etc. A simple green box showing him the area being scanned gives him a greater understanding that 'the label is above the box that is why I can't see it on my radar'. Hence elevation is now understood and the process of learning ot can begin.

 

This tool has only positives and is nothing like auto tracking.

[Wolf Rider]

poppycock yourself... so would auto-targeting :music_whistling:

 

Elevation/ azimuth... http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/azimuth-and-elevation there you go, problem solved (took about 0.1 seconds)

Edited September 30, 2014 by Wolf Rider

[Frostie]

poppycock yourself... so would auto-targeting :music_whistling:

 

Elevation/ azimuth... http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/azimuth-and-elevation there you go, problem solved (took about 0.1 seconds)

 

The whole point being you learn about whilst practicing in the sim without the need to hunt for something you're not even sure about on the internet. Stop beating the dead horse, there is no negative side to its functionality.

 

As for auto tracking what is that exactly, do you mean auto lock maybe because radars automatically track already. Auto lock would be done for you showing you nothing whilst the green box actually teaches you about how a radar functions.

[Teapot]

poppycock yourself... so would auto-targeting :music_whistling:

 

Elevation/ azimuth... http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/azimuth-and-elevation there you go, problem solved (took about 0.1 seconds)

 

The original post wasn't concerned about auto targeting; the discussion is drifting. I believe it was only asking about the viability of using a green box device to help with understanding elevation/azimuth of the radar.

 

This visual device (green box) is far more effective as a teaching device than providing a link to a wall of text, particularly as many people here aren't English speakers (though it may be that equivalent walls of text exist in various other languages). While language can be very descriptive, it loses out in comparison to a visual aid because language tends to be more abstract.

 

Understanding the mechanics via green box might very well take .1 of a second. Trying for the same quality of understanding via your solution (the link you gave that took you .1 of a second to find) takes a considerably longer time to digest and requires a fair degree of literary and technical prowess.

 

If this green box were to be implemented as a teaching aid in some alternative DCS universe that you happen to be part of, I'm sure the option to turn it off via mission design or via user menu will be there ... just as are all the other training aids already in the sim.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Teapot

[GGTharos]

You're making a very incorrect assumption - in my experience there has been so much confusion and difficulty in teaching how the radar controls work and specifically, what they do to the scan pattern, that the 'green box' (Actually the whole pyramid, possibly with the cursor as well) being displayed as a training tool would be a very fast and efficient way of teaching radar mechanics.

 

It would also help people learn how to adjust their scan patterns and run a good scan much, much faster than having to do the math.

 

poppycock yourself... so would auto-targeting :music_whistling:

 

Elevation/ azimuth... http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/azimuth-and-elevation there you go, problem solved (took about 0.1 seconds)

[Wolf Rider]

its just the same argument repeating itself... and, sorry to say Teapot, with no real substance

[karambiatos]

its just the same argument repeating itself... and, sorry to say Teapot, with no real substance

Isnt that because you keep repeating an counter argument with absolutely no good reasons to why this shouldnt be implemented?

 

It's no different then labels, people can choose to have it on or off, most servers will have it off.

 

 

I can never understand when people want less options in their games.

[Fishbreath]

I can never understand when people want less options in their games.

 

Go read the easy nosewheel steering threads in the MiG-21 forum. :P

[Wolf Rider]

You're making a very incorrect assumption - in my experience there has been so much confusion and difficulty in teaching how the radar controls work and specifically, what they do to the scan pattern, that the 'green box' (Actually the whole pyramid, possibly with the cursor as well) being displayed as a training tool would be a very fast and efficient way of teaching radar mechanics.

 

It would also help people learn how to adjust their scan patterns and run a good scan much, much faster than having to do the math.

 

 

magic pointers for navigation as well?

 

how about some good tutorials instead, same as for the very difficult tasks of navigation and weapons deployment? gee, tutorials with words (yes, even localised) and pictures... great stuff, very effective

 

and respectfullylly, its not an assumption I'm making... I've said quite clearly a few times now, and I'll repeat it again now as something obviously isn't making it across the language divide - "I see merit and downside in the concept". Is it clear now??

I just haven't seen anyone convincingly sell the concept yet, all I've seen is some try to bollster a point of view through.

[Frostie]

and respectfullylly, its not an assumption I'm making... I've said quite clearly a few times now, and I'll repeat it again now as something obviously isn't making it across the language divide - "I see merit and downside in the concept". Is it clear now??

I just haven't seen anyone convincingly sell the concept yet, all I've seen is some try to bollster a point of view through.

 

You have not posted any substantial downsides. You did post this below though.

 

 

downside, for one, would be lack of (no incentive to produce) appropriate training mission.

 

two, client side cheat factor

 

 

 

three, how realistic is it having a green rectangle projected out in front?

 

No.1 it wouldn't need a training mission just itself being switched on is a training tool.

 

No.2 Client side cheat factor. Seriously how would it actually be more beneficial than having labels. If the ability to get this in multiplayer then surely labels etc. would be just as viable an option.

 

No.3 not even worth commenting on, it's a training tool.

 

 

Still waiting for what you perceive as downsides.