ViperVJG73 Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 The question was: "R77 and multi pylons in the su33?" I say yes she can carry the R-77! This is not unrealistic! Specification Su-33 Naval Flanker: Powerplant: two 125.5 kN (28,220 lb st) Saturn Lyul'ka AL-31F3 afterburning turbofans Dimensions: length 21.185 m (69 ft 6 in) ; height 5.72 m (18 ft 9¼ in); wing span 14.70 m (48 ft 2½ in) Weights: empty 18400 kg (40,564 lb); Max Take-Off Weight 33,000 kg (72,752 lb) Performance: max level speed at 11,000m (36,000 ft) Mach 2.165 or 2,300 km/h (1,430 mph) ; at sea level Mach 1.06 or 1,300 km/h (807 mph); service ceiling 17,000 m (55,780 ft) Armament: one internal GSh-301 30mm cannon with 150 rounds; up to 8000 kg (17,637 lb) of ordnance carried on up to twelve external hardpoints, including R-60, R-73, R-27, RVV-AE (R-77) AAMs, freefall and cluster bombs, unguided rockets, external fuel tanks, guided bombs and air-to-surface missiles. Best Regards Viper System: Intel Core i7-4790, 3,6GHz, 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 2GB GDDR5, TM HOTAS Warthog;(MSFFB2 for testing); TrackIR4 +Track Clip Pro; Windows 10 Pro.
504 Wolverine Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 It was a proposed upgrade to the Su-33 that was to be given the capability to carry the R-77. This upgrade (Su-33M) was not funded and was not carried out. Many web sites quote this upgrade as fact but it was not to be. The Su-33 is just a navalised Su-27S. Changes from the basic Su-27 Changes from the shore-based Su-27 were the addition of canards, re-profiled leading-edge root extensions, redesigned folding outer wing panels, seperately controlled aileron and flaps. These changes were supported by an upgraded fly-by-wire control system and hydraulic system. The Su-27K airframe and landing gear was strengthened to cope with the additional stress from carrier landings. The nose gear was changed to a twin-wheeled one with a telescopic strut and features an additional landing light and three-colour indicator lights for the carrier's flight controller's reference regarding glide-patch and landing speed. The aircraft was equipped with a retractable hook system. The AL-31F engines were uprated to enable the pilot to recover from a failed hook up.The drag chute was removed from the tail boom. The boom itself was shortened and flattened. The wings, the horizontal stabilisers as well as the nosecone were made to fold up to reduce the aircraft's dimensions. Other visible changes included the addition of two hardpoints and a retractable in-flight refuelling probe on the port side forward of the cockpit. The IRST sensor was shifted to the starboard side. The fighter's navigation, landing and fire control systems were all upgraded for the new environment. The SUV-27K fire control system enables the fighter to intercept aerial targets with the support of the aircraft carrier's command and control. The 24 series produced Su-27Ks were deployed with the Northern Fleet and were assigned to the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, which deployed on her first long-term ocean cruise in 1995 with 13 Su-27K naval fighters onboard. [/url]
nscode Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 AFAIK, P was in 1.0x, in 1.1x it's Su-27S... That explains it.. :D The Su-33 is just a navalised Su-27S not just Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Prophet_169th Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 These changes were supported by an upgraded fly-by-wire control system and hydraulic system. So should the Su33 have auto-trim? The SUV-27K fire control system enables the fighter to intercept aerial targets with the support of the aircraft carrier's command and control. Kuz should have EWR type ability?
GGTharos Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Well I could show you pics of SU-27SKM with six R-77s, this includes two carried the tandem rack in the centerline. Btw, R-77M, R-73E and R-73M would be nice additions. Check Soviet/Russian aircraft weapons since wwII by Yefim Gordon. IIRC, the R-77M and R-73M don't even exist in inventory? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Alfa Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 WolverineThe P version doesn't have A2G capability, the Su-27 in Lock-on does Yes in Lock-on 1.1 the Su-27 has added unguided A2G capability, which would make it the Su-27S version - but it didnt in Lock-on 1.0. AFAIK, P was in 1.0x, in 1.1x it's Su-27S... Yes that would be correct - although I think that some aspects of the cockpit actually resembled that of the Su-27S already in Lock-on 1.0x :) . The Su-33 is just a navalised Su-27S not just Actually yes that would be the best way of describing it. Airframe wise the Su-33 is very different from the Su-27S, but system wise it is all but identical - and the system differences that are there mostly have to do with the naval nature of the Su-33....such as navigation- and carrier landing systems. Cheers, - JJ. JJ
Colt40Five Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Speaking of realism...where's the R40 tactical nuke??? I have information that MiG-29A's were training with them (dummies anyway) in the 80's! They used a very interesting deployment method of pulling a loop and lofting the bomb almost vertical then beating feet to escape...and then could only use their analog systems to get home as the EMP would disable everything else... and why can't I siphon off the cooling alchohol from my A/C's systems to get my simulated ground crew hammered? the Mig-25 was called the "flying cocktail bar" for the massive amounts of this alchohol it used. :icon_jook When Gorbachev went on his anti-alchohol campaign in the 80's usage of these "coolants" skyrocketed among VVS and PVO units...lol [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nscode Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Just remamber to add some water (Ctrl + Alt + W). It is 96% alchohol after all ... too strong even for russians :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Force_Feedback Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 And then you'll see horses with R-27s between their legs. Lol, remember how I was wasted after 6 whiskey glasses of home-made vinegar wodka (60%), I had trouble walking in a straight line, had to concentrate really hardnot to wander of the path. :p Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
RvETito Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Speaking of realism...where's the R40 tactical nuke??? I have information that MiG-29A's were training with them (dummies anyway) in the 80's! They used a very interesting deployment method of pulling a loop and lofting the bomb almost vertical then beating feet to escape...and then could only use their analog systems to get home as the EMP would disable everything else... Actualy it's RN40, 30k tons TNT equivalent. All Soviet and Warsaw pact MiG-29s have the ability to carry one bomb on the number 3(the inner pylon of the left wing) wing pylon. After the Warsaw pact's collapse this system has been removed from all non-russian MiGs. And as you described it, the typical deployment of the nuclear bomb is with the "KABR" bombing mode of the EOS, which is similar to the CCRP with the difference that the bomb is released automaticaly after you pass the vertical line. and why can't I siphon off the cooling alchohol from my A/C's systems to get my simulated ground crew hammered? the Mig-25 was called the "flying cocktail bar" for the massive amounts of this alchohol it used. :icon_jook When Gorbachev went on his anti-alchohol campaign in the 80's usage of these "coolants" skyrocketed among VVS and PVO units...lol Heh :D MiG-25 has been the best plane for the russian maintenance personel- 300 liters of pure spiritus with much better quality than the average vodka they could buy. The worse aircraft in this aspect has been the Su-17/22- not a single drop of alcohol there.... Booooooooooooo.....:D:D:D "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Guest abori Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 What about This !? http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-20850.html HEre it says that SU-27 can carri R77. Im confused.:doh:
Red Star Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-20850.html HEre it says that SU-27 can carri R77. Im confused.:doh: Confusion over. Read this thread SLOWLY. ;) :P I browsed it quickly but still found this post. http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-27/su-27_var.htm This outlines the different Su-27 variants and it states, as you say, that the Su-27SMK phase 1 & 2 is capable of carrying the R-77. The variant modeled in Lock-On is the Su-27S which CANNOT carry the R-77
britgliderpilot Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 Some versions of the Su27 can carry the R77. Some can't. Almost all could *IF* they were upgraded . . . . but the Russians are a tad short of money at the moment, so AFAIK very, very few do. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
nscode Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 Yup. An upgrade to the radar is needed. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Cobra360 Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 Well the will be around 24-30 Su-27s upgraded to SM standard in the next year or so in Russia. There is currently around 12 already upgraded. Weather the Su-33s get to included in the upgrade program remains to be seen. There are only around 22 Su-33s to upgrade anyway.
britgliderpilot Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 Well the will be around 24-30 Su-27s upgraded to SM standard in the next year or so in Russia. There is currently around 12 already upgraded. Weather the Su-33s get to included in the upgrade program remains to be seen. There are only around 22 Su-33s to upgrade anyway. Ask Alfa to confirm, but last I heard the Su33s would remain at the same level and the Su27KUB would get the nice electronics. Not sure where they're at with that at the moment . . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Alfa Posted May 2, 2006 Posted May 2, 2006 Ask Alfa to confirm, but last I heard the Su33s would remain at the same level and the Su27KUB would get the nice electronics. Not sure where they're at with that at the moment . . . . Hi, There is little to indicate that an Su-27SM style upgrade is planned for the Su-33s, but apparently some airframes did recieve an RWS upgrade that replaced the SPO-15 with the more recent and advanced "Pastel" system instead. The Su-27KUB is by all standards an entirely new version(both in terms of airframe and systems) and far exceeds the standard obtained with the -SM upgraded Su-27s. E.g. while the Su-27SM has an upgraded version of the N001 radar, the Su-27KUB was initially fitted with the more advanced Zhuk-MS slotted array set and may since have recieved a further developed electronically scanned phased array version of this called "Zhuk-MSF". But I haven't heard anything new about the Su-27KUB development for some time and I don't know what the status is at present time. Cheers, - JJ. JJ
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