kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I'm deciding whether or not to get the Dora (and the Kurfurst when it's out). I own the Mustang but I don't have rudder pedals - just a twist stick which I don't like to use in level flight or when diving in on a ground target. So, I rely heavily on rudder trim. Since, the German planes don't have trim wheels, am I going to have a really hard time flying them without pedals?
otto Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 kontiuka I fly exclusively air to air missions. It's not a problem to do some fancy shooting with the twist stick (I have a Thrustmaster T-16000) but i do feel the lack of a pair of rudder pedals. it would improve my shooting considerably. In the end depends if you want these planes bad enought to fly them without pedals.I know i do. It's possible and fun most times but sometimes i want to .... if you know what i mean .
kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 kontiuka I fly exclusively air to air missions. It's not a problem to do some fancy shooting with the twist stick (I have a Thrustmaster T-16000) but i do feel the lack of a pair of rudder pedals. it would improve my shooting considerably. In the end depends if you want these planes bad enought to fly them without pedals.I know i do. It's possible and fun most times but sometimes i want to .... if you know what i mean .Yup, I use the twist stick in combat. That's fine. I'm just trying to avoid long flights where I'm constantly twisting the stick to keep coordinated flight. Quite tiring. That's why I use the rudder trim a lot in the Mustang.
fastfreddie Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 You may want to hold out till you can get some rudder pedals because without the trim settings on the Dora you will be twisting our stick alot. It's a great plane and I love it but one thing that it is not is close to be trimmed unless your throttle is set at economy cruise speeds. Even then you will need to use rudder if you want to keep it flying perfectly straight and obtain top speeds. Some things are easier such as engine management but every plane usually has its downsides. Not sure what the trim settings are like for the 109.
Maverick-X Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I always avoided the purchase of rudder pedals as for flying helo's or modern day jets it was not necessary. You can fly the mustang quite easily without rudders aswell, although air2ground will be a pain in the a** when you try to cancel out sideslip. As I really liked the warbirds and am more into dogfights than BVR I decided to finally buy pedals, as the old birds long for it and it would be at least nice to have for more modern aircraft. And I can say: best decision ever! The Dora is quite uneasy to handle on takeoff and landing when compared with the mustang, as it does not have a steerable tailwheel, so finetuned rudder input is a must
kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 Thanks. I'll probably hold off until I get pedals then. What kind do you guys have and how do you like them?
Flagrum Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I always avoided the purchase of rudder pedals as for flying helo's (...) it was not necessary. Huh? :huh: What helos do you actually fly without pedals ... except from the BS perhaps? I know, I could not fly the Huey without them ... :joystick:
Lizzard Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Huh? :huh: What helos do you actually fly without pedals ... except from the BS perhaps? I know, I could not fly the Huey without them ... :joystick: I fly all DCS Helos with a twist stick..absolutly no problems here..but there are a few people saying flying DCS Helos without pedals is nearly impossible..:):joystick: My Specs: I don`t care..it is a Computer..a black one..
kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 I fly all DCS Helos with a twist stick..absolutly no problems here..but there are a few people saying flying DCS Helos without pedals is nearly impossible..:):joystick:+1 I get along quite well with the Huey using just a twist stick because it's quite stable in forward flight. The WWII birds though ... change the throttle a bit and you're suddenly jerked 10 degrees off course.
Flagrum Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I fly all DCS Helos with a twist stick..absolutly no problems here..but there are a few people saying flying DCS Helos without pedals is nearly impossible..:):joystick: Hrm, yes, okay. Somehow I read his comment like "you don't need much rudder in helos anyway" and that puzzled me. Of all aircraft, if one needs a working rudder/anti-torque control, then it is a helo. But as long as you have some sort of rudder axis, then I agree, you "can fly" a helo - I am just used to and happy with my pedals. :o)
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I fly all DCS Helos with a twist stick..absolutly no problems here..but there are a few people saying flying DCS Helos without pedals is nearly impossible..:):joystick: I take my hat off for you! Can you do that????? I really can't see myself flying the uh-1h, or the mi-8, with a twister :-/ Congratulations! Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
Lizzard Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 don`t get me wrong...I do not say rudder pedals are not necessary..absolutly not! It is a matter of taste and money..I just say..I (!) have no problems flying a Helo with the twist stick! And for the WW2 Birds..yes you are right..flying straight with a twist stick can be painfull..but you can do it:) My Specs: I don`t care..it is a Computer..a black one..
Lizzard Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) I take my hat off for you! Can you do that????? I really can't see myself flying the uh-1h, or the mi-8, with a twister :-/ Congratulations! sarcasm..you know..I am surely not the only one flying the Huey and the Mi-8 quite well with just a twist stick.. Edited October 10, 2014 by Lizzard My Specs: I don`t care..it is a Computer..a black one..
JST Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 People actually use rudder outside takeoff, landing and ground attack? Am I flying wrong? But then again, I have been doing well in a2a anyway. What's next, people actually utilizing the gyro sight? :D :joystick: My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
golani79 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 As for the WWII birds I think they are still worth it and you can have a also have a great time with them until you get rudder pedals. It needs some time to getting used to it at take offs and landings (which I still have some difficulties with) but once you get the hang of it it works pretty good. sarcasm..you know..I am surely not the only one flying the Huey and the Mi-8 quite well with just a twist stick.. I´m actually waiting for my rudder pedals to be delivered but I´ve also flown Mi8 and Huey without pedals - I used a rotary on my throttle though. Worked pretty good - but I got the chance to test the helos with pedals and it feels a lot better. So I´m looking forward to the pedals :) >> DCS liveries by golani79 <<
kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 People actually use rudder outside takeoff, landing and ground attack?I can't speak for the Dora but in the Mustang strong crosswind or high throttle settings in level flight will really make you uncoordinated which not only makes you slip but also causes you to roll opposite the slip. So, your fighting with 2 axes.
kontiuka Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 Nobody's answering my question.:) What pedals do you use?
Pikey Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Saitek, I think the cheapest and most available out there. Still going well after 18 months. In terms of using them I was flying BS1 then A10 for a long time without them using a twist stick first. All things are possible, but it's just a lot easier with pedals. Dora i'm not sure i'd get off the ground without them, Mustang probably a good chance. BS2/Huey would just be a miserable experience, I believe pedals make the experience feel right. Don't forget wheel brakes for which Dora needs and being able to put variable brakes down is something that hasn't been mentioned either. Pedals here are a huge advantage. During flight however I don't think pedals are as noticeable, for P51 i just trim. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Viersbovsky Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Flying choppers as well as taking off and landing in the Dora and Mustang with only a twist-stick is perfectly doable with a bit of practice. You will be somewhat less "accurate" however. I am leaning towards upgrading to pedals too however, so I am also looking forward to your recommendations. Callsign "Lion"
fastfreddie Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I've currently got Saitek PRO Flight Combat Rudder Pedals which allow you to set your feet on the floor and operate the rudders instead of setting your feet on top of them. I've had them for a few years but they haven't seen real use until this year. I don't think they will hold up for the long run and I plan on getting a set of these next year. http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/mfg-crosswind-pedals.html You could check the ebay route but I would be very wary of buying used rudders pedals. Like Pikey said don't forget about wheel brakes also which will make life easier in all sims.
ht-57 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 To the op. I've been using CH pedals for a few years and they have held up gr8! also cost effective http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=ch+products+rudder+pedals&tag=googhydr-20&inde
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Saitek Rudder Pedals - 2,5 yrs and still like new :-) Inexpensive and good! Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
VincentLaw Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 The most difficult part of the FW-190 without pedals is ground handling. The FW-190 uses only differential braking for steering, and it is not possible to map an axis to more than one command in DCS (so you can't map ground steering and rudder together on a twist stick). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
kontiuka Posted October 11, 2014 Author Posted October 11, 2014 I answered you........sorry. I should have said all but one haven't answered.:)
Flagrum Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 The most difficult part of the FW-190 without pedals is ground handling. The FW-190 uses only differential braking for steering, and it is not possible to map an axis to more than one command in DCS (so you can't map ground steering and rudder together on a twist stick). You can assign the same axis to a different function if you use a modifier together with it. Hrm, I just realize that I have never actually used this ... but the longer I think about it, the more interesting this idea gets ... not only for this braking problem ...
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