fitness88 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 When I land the F-15c I still have control issues with steering even after adjusting curves and using 'LALT - Q'. Actually the problem begins when I engage nose gear steering at around 50 mph, that's the speed I no long can steer with the rudder. I do not use 'S' until I'm at the end of the runway turning onto a taxi way. Any suggestions? Thank you.
Svend_Dellepude Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 NWS should be on already. I suspect you turn it off when you think you turn it on. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
AegisFX Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Some things on a sort of checklist: 1:Smooth landing with no damage to the tire or struts. 2: nws key, s by default, is being held the whole time you steer. 3: using rctrl+enter, make sure you are getting the input. ie, the game is seeing you give rudder/nosewheel command. I've personally landed with damage to the wheel that only showed up as no wheel steering. 4:is this happening at takeoff too? In different missions? I'm sure this isn't everything, but just some immediate stuff that comes to my mind from experience. Owned: Ryzen 3900x, MSI AMD 470x mobo, 32gb 3200MHz ram, Gtx 1660 Ti, 970 Evo Plus 500GB, MsFFB2, TIR5, TMWH+18c Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Buttkicker/SSA, WinWing F-18C . Next is VR for simpit Art Of The Kill:
fitness88 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 Some things on a sort of checklist: 1:Smooth landing with no damage to the tire or struts. 2: nws key, s by default, is being held the whole time you steer. 3: using rctrl+enter, make sure you are getting the input. ie, the game is seeing you give rudder/nosewheel command. I've personally landed with damage to the wheel that only showed up as no wheel steering. 4:is this happening at takeoff too? In different missions? I'm sure this isn't everything, but just some immediate stuff that comes to my mind from experience. My Proceedure: soft landing with only rudder steering control [no NWS]...works great, great control! at 50 mph I allow regular NWS [not 'S']...that's when the plane starts to go left and then right and then more left and more right and then further left and further right and then much further left and much further right...till you go off the runway onto the grass. Of course I try at the very beginning to keep it straight by only making small steering corrections. It's as though the NWS goes by itself.
GGTharos Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Are your rudders spiking? Do you have some other (perhaps keyboard) rudder input? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
HiJack Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 What is your touch down speed? Are holding the wheel-brake on? Track? Video?
fitness88 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 Are your rudders spiking? Do you have some other (perhaps keyboard) rudder input? Sorry not sure what you mean by spiking.
fitness88 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) What is your touch down speed? Are holding the wheel-brake on? Track? Video? Touch down speed is around 150-170. As for holding the brakes on...I start by doing that and then I pump them. So what should I do for better control? Edited October 18, 2014 by fitness88
HiJack Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 Touch down speed is around 150-170. As for holding the brakes on...I start by doing that and then I pump them. So what should I do for better control? Practice to set up the aircraft in AOA 22 and keep it there. You can do this from a safe altitude (say 10000 feet) and get the feel of how to set the correct speed. Slow down to 250 knots and lower your gear, lower your flaps, slow down to 180 - 150 and identify when the HUD shows AOA 22. Now keep that AOA all the way down a couple of thousand feet. Get the feel and get used to adjust your AOA just by using the throttle. Practice, practice and then repeat the practice using ILS landing on Batumi, ILS works fine there. You should then touch down on the runway somewhere under 150 knots. Keep the AOA at 22-23 until the aircraft is about 100 knots and then move the stick forward to touch down the nose wheel. It should then be fine to pump the wheel break if needed. :thumbup:
fitness88 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 Practice to set up the aircraft in AOA 22 and keep it there. You can do this from a safe altitude (say 10000 feet) and get the feel of how to set the correct speed. Slow down to 250 knots and lower your gear, lower your flaps, slow down to 180 - 150 and identify when the HUD shows AOA 22. Now keep that AOA all the way down a couple of thousand feet. Get the feel and get used to adjust your AOA just by using the throttle. Practice, practice and then repeat the practice using ILS landing on Batumi, ILS works fine there. You should then touch down on the runway somewhere under 150 knots. Keep the AOA at 22-23 until the aircraft is about 100 knots and then move the stick forward to touch down the nose wheel. It should then be fine to pump the wheel break if needed. :thumbup: Thanks for the response. Landing isn't the problem. The problem is steering control of the aircraft once I'm down and doing under 100. At 50 mph I allow regular NWS [not 'S']...that's when the plane starts to go left and then right and then more left and more right and then further left and further right and then much further left and much further right...till you go off the runway onto the grass. Of course I try at the very beginning to keep it straight by only making small steering corrections. It's as though the NWS goes by itself.
ED Team cofcorpse Posted October 19, 2014 ED Team Posted October 19, 2014 At 50 mph I allow regular NWS [not 'S'] Could you explain what that means? Do you press something?
fitness88 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 Could you explain what that means? Do you press something? For tight turning I press "S" but never when going above 20-30. So this does not come into play when landing. I do press and hold "LAlt - Q" when touching down and continue to hold it till under 100. This as you know just allows for rudder steering while disabling the nose gear steering. "S" Nose Gear Maneuvering Range "LAlt - Q" Nose Gear Steering Disengage
ED Team cofcorpse Posted October 19, 2014 ED Team Posted October 19, 2014 I do press and hold "LAlt - Q" when touching down and continue to hold it till under 100. This as you know just allows for rudder steering while disabling the nose gear steering. I think this is your problem. It doesn't allow for rudder steering. It disengages nose steering and makes nose wheel free swiveling (I may be wrong in term). You should use Nose steering disengage only at taxi. Try to land and do not use Nose Gear Steering Disengage
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 Also, if what cofcorpse said doesn't help you, check your toebrake axis. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
fitness88 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 I think this is your problem. It doesn't allow for rudder steering. It disengages nose steering and makes nose wheel free swiveling (I may be wrong in term). You should use Nose steering disengage only at taxi. Try to land and do not use Nose Gear Steering Disengage Yes indeed the NSG steering does go out of control when NSG steering is disengaged, so what's the purpose of using it. I thought over 50 the NSG was supposed to lock straight forward and then you steer with the rudder. So now all you need is NSG maneuvering range when cornering and don't use the NSG disengage. Thank you for the info.
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 It's used to tow the plane, I don't think it's used by the pilot. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
fitness88 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 It's used to tow the plane, I don't think it's used by the pilot. Thanks that makes sense. Would you know if the brakes work discretely when using an axis to control them or are they just all on/all off like with a button control?
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 They work properly, ie. each wheel brakes separately. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
fitness88 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) They work properly, ie. each wheel brakes separately. When you say properly that is to say the braking can be gradual with axis control braking as opposed to either all on or all off as with a button? edited: I just did a test and it is discrete braking with an axis brake. Edited October 19, 2014 by fitness88
fitness88 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Thanks to all for the good information and a lot of practice I am finally getting the hang of it...and it's all about the landing. 22 uAoA 150-170kts [weight dependant] and holding this 'angle on' all the way to the threshold. Just a few feet above the runway I gently chop the throttle and flare a few degrees with a soft landing. A little patience for the nose to come down by itself and then pop the air brake with a little wheel braking and that's it with no loss of control on the steering...it goes straight. One question, if you are landing at 20-22uAOA isn't flaring a little risky as you are already at the uAOA max limit? Thank you all again. Edited October 20, 2014 by fitness88
fitness88 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) A pilot friend who flies the Boeing 777 says the nose gear steering is locked in a straight forward position allowing only the rudder to make steering adjustments when the plane is going over 70kts. I think there may be a bug with the Nose Gear Steering Disengage allowing free turning during 'LALT - Q'. Edited October 20, 2014 by fitness88
GGTharos Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I think B777's are not F-15's. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 No, you're only flaring up to 24uAoA. If you have to flare more than 25, you need to abort the landing. One question, if you are landing at 20-22uAOA isn't flaring a little risky as you are already at the uAOA max limit? Thank you all again. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
fitness88 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 I think B777's are not F-15's. Yes I agree 100%...just as a Bus isn't a Corvette...but they still steer the same way:)
fitness88 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) No, you're only flaring up to 24uAoA. If you have to flare more than 25, you need to abort the landing. I thought 22 uAoA was the max or risk a hard landing? OK so you stay on 22uAoA right up till you flare, then only additional 2-3 uAoA for the flare and slowly chop the throttle and then let it touch down by itself. Once nose is down put the air brake on and don't lock up the brakes. Is that it? Thanks. Edited October 20, 2014 by fitness88
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