How is the F86 Sarbre

[jfri]

I would like to hear how this plane compares to the P51D Mustang. With regard to for example

1) Learning step

2) How complicated it is and simulation depth

3) Documentation and tutorials and included missions and campaigns

4) How difficult it is to win in combat with it

Looking forward to hear from people who have used both

[Gladman]

Most of the information to be found is from Youtube. Not a bad thing but not official.

Its not overly hard to get onto it, but it takes some time.

Combat is harder than say an F-15 but easier or the same as the Mustang in my mind.

 

I guess you have to keep in mind that its a beta. I don't mind working through its rough spots because I wanted to fly it and now I can.

 

Dale

[Chief1942]

My 2 cents

 

I would like to hear how this plane compares to the P51D Mustang. With regard to for example

1) Learning step

2) How complicated it is and simulation depth

3) Documentation and tutorials and included missions and campaigns

4) How difficult it is to win in combat with it

Looking forward to hear from people who have used both

 

1) I feel the F-86 is somewhat simpler to manage than the P-51. You can't simply throw either of them around with ham fisted tactics, but the "systems" in the F-86 are less demanding than the P-51.

 

2) The F-86 is still Beta, but I sense that Belsimtek/ED have done a remarkable job in presenting that early jet fighter and it's predecessor the P-51. Remember these are "study sims" and as such require some commitment to actually learning about these aircraft and applying the fundamentals relative to each particular aircraft. RTFM;)

 

3) The "docs" that come with each of these birds are adequate to get you up and running. If you actually get the "bug" for one or the other, many fine folks here on these forums have provided many links to volumes of data and info on each. Many YouTube tutorials to give you hours of viewing pleasure.:joystick: Missions are adequate plus there is always the Mission Editor where you can create/ modify to your satisfaction. Campaigns, not so much and I honestly cannot comment fairly as I have not felt I am adequately proficient at managing either of these aircraft to take on a campaign just yet. YMMV:D

 

4) That depends on how much time you actually commit to becoming proficient at managing and employing each "weapon system". Can be a challenge as you have to actually fly the aircraft well, often on the edge of it's performance envelope, AND utilize the weapons systems at the same time. Practice, practice, practice!! And of course RTFM!;)

 

My recommendation is go for it! Most all of us started with the same lack of skills and appreciation for the complexities of these offerings from ED and their contributors. Must say it is as much fun as one can have with their clothes on.:pilotfly:

Would honestly say this. Trying to become truly proficient at any of ED's offerings almost requires you pick one and stay with it exclusively until you (and your stats) indicate you have it mastered, then pick the next offering, rinse and repeat.

Edited December 23, 2014 by Chief1942

[Czar66]

I've played with the mustang since launch with small bites but full missions all around and just got the Sabre. The reason why I'm already making an input about it's the main thing about the Sabre module: SIMPLICITY.

 

I have not know about the Sabre in the technical operational aspects, but from get go, I could see that is a very simple aircraft to handle and operate.

 

1) Very easy to learn. Very few steps to make the engine run in comparison with the Pony.

The P-51D is more complicated for the general public to turn on. The difference lies over priming the engine and occasional need of oil dilute plus all the aspect of propeller aircraft handling). Although it's one of the most simple modules, that's how easy is the Sabre.

 

2) It's DCS Full fidelity module complicated in terms of learning your plane. Components and electronics excluded: it's basically what the P-51D offers and plus some other few stuff like primitive CCRP modes.

 

3) Tutorials are not included in the Sim AFAIK. It does come with a simple manual that helps you turning on the engine and deploy weapons. Maybe something with more depth in the future. For more external capabilities and procedures, see: http://aviationshoppe.com/manuals/f-86_flight_manual/f-86.html

 

4) Very difficult against MiG-15s which is pretty historically accurate. Ground targets are a tad less efficient over you (common sense of not getting engaged advanced AAA or SAMs) compared to P-51D by it's lower speed.

 

Overall great module. I can't see my module library being all that good without it. I was surprised of how pleasant it is to fly it.

 

If you do bother continue reading:

 

-Some features on the cockpit of the F-86 are harder to reach than the Pony. Although it's part of the charm to BE a "full fidelity" module.

 

-Sabre flies straight and nice compared to the P-51D as having a jet engine for propulsion and needing a lot less trimming as consequence.

 

- If you feel handling the P-51D with like an extension of your own body, feeling pretty close to the air flow and aero dynamics principles, really machine and pilot united in one, you'll feel the same on the Sabre.

 

- Sabre has some cool technology stuff I'm just getting my head around them. That meaning you can approach targets with CCRP or CCIP or the way you can feel more confortable with, for example.

 

- Bottom line, of the maybe 4 hours I got into it is: It's a faster and more stable P-51D. Challenging MiG-15s in dogfighting remmember me the battle of britain sims or cliffs of dover while driving the Spit against 109s but you can contribute with a bit more on the duel's pace than that WWII combination.

 

Good luck.

[Lordbaldur]

1) Very easy

2) From what I know, it is complex, but it's inherently a simple plane.

3) Doesn't exist

4) You need practice