Aircraft carrier take off....help please!

[NY3D]

I went through the training video a couple of times,but I cant seem to get it right,I always come really close to the water every time.I know in real life that when an carrier based aircraft takes off, it's gonna drop or sink a few feet.Is there a trick or tut that goes more into detail on how to take off......besides lots and lots of practise:) Any tip will be app.thanx in advance

[Shaman]

Well make sure you check flaps and trim. Flaps to full, full brakes, full afterburner, release brakes, and takeoff.

 

To make takeoffs easier carrier should move towards the wind, you can also try to take less fuel (you can always refuel Su-33 in midair later)

[Kenan]

Set flaps to full, afterburnes ON, hold "W" for 2-3 sec and release, once u leave the deck raise gears and start gently pulling the stick (no sudden moves or you may bleed too much speed). That should do the tricksie.

[S77th-konkussion]

Typing it out step by step isn't possible, but here's a couple of things to note.

 

You may be too heavy- check loadout and fuel. The real SU33 would rarely carry any bombs. He would be taking off at a reduced fuel level and heading for the tanker. Unless in a combat situation- where I suspect he'd be taking off with as much gas as he possibly could w/out going for a swim.

 

Sometimes FULL flaps is helpful, but I do not usually find it necessary.

 

Hold Wheelbrake & go full burn.

 

When you creep fwd- let go of brake.

 

The instant you clear the ramp- wheels up.

 

Your nose will pitch UP on it's own- leave the stick alone for a sec.

 

As you pass through about 250kph flaps to stage one IF you used full flaps.

 

As your nose starts to drop, GENTLY apply back pressure to maintain a zero or slightly positive vertical velocity. Use the instrument (center high dash) to monitor this. DON'T WORRY ABOUT GAINING altitude just yet- just maintain and accelerate.

 

You should be finding it easier & easier to get your nose up and climb controllably within the AoA limits. Pull in flaps if you haven't already, and off you go.

 

You will always drop some- can't be helped unless you take off from the fantail.

[RvETito]

Some other notes:

- IRL if the Su-33 is about to take-off with close to or at MTOW they use the 3rd starting position(behind the left starting pos.) which gives the longest possible take-off distance of about 180m. So if you are heavy you shouldn't start from the default position number 1.

- again IRL, the AL-31F designed for Su-33 has another rejime called "chrezvyichayniy" which means "extra emergency". It can be used no longer than 30sec and gives thrust of 13 500kgf per engine. It have been implemented exactly to help out carrier take-offs. Of course, you can apply it at anytime without any problems, in a dogfight for example. The problems usualy comes for the maintenace personel afterwards:D

[Woodstock]

What usually does the trick for all carrier aircraft IRL is headwind.

Even if there is for whatever reason no wind at all in the mission, the carrier should steam along at 20-25 kts, providing you with the little "extra" needed.

[mikoyan]

Dont pull the stick too much, I push the stik a little after leaving the deck to decrease the aoa , that helps and is a like IRL after that I climb.

It will be cool to have the extra power option on the su-33. Set the carrierat 33 km/h , it helps and is more realistic

[Force_Feedback]

If you're taking off with an su-33 (and not the su-25t that you have just landed on it) you don't need to hold down the W key.

 

The braking chocks aren't there for show, they hold your plane until it gets up to full afterburner, don't press W as it will slow down your plane when leaving the ramp, resulting in a too low speed, and unnecessary swimming.

[S77th-konkussion]

In my opinion- the auto chocks drop down just a tad early. The extra second means a bit of extra speed over the ramp. Not a lot- but helpful just the same.

[Force_Feedback]

In my opinion- the auto chocks drop down just a tad early. The extra second means a bit of extra speed over the ramp. Not a lot- but helpful just the same.

 

NO, your brakes will still be applying pressure, thus slowing you down. There is no problem with the chocks, just go to full AB at once, without any delays.

[VMFA-Blaze]

I usually pull the stick back a little and let it return to the center in rapid succession untill I hit the proper combination and the altitude and then the airspeed begin to steadily increase.....

 

This might not be the best way of handleing it but if your just beginning to learn this will work....

 

Blaze

[Guest IguanaKing]

Too bad its not like the Hornet...just put your hands on the glareshield and wait. ;)

[VMFA-Blaze]

Too bad its not like the Hornet...just put your hands on the glareshield and wait. ;)

 

HEHE...

 

You have a point there King...

 

~S~

 

Blaze

[nscode]

Too bad hornet is so boring ;)

[TucksonSonny]

NO, your brakes will still be applying pressure, thus slowing you down. There is no problem with the chocks, just go to full AB at once, without any delays.

 

I don’t think so. Because the shocks drop down to early and as a result the engines run not yet @100% full AB.

With this little trick: pressing the breaks until your plane can’t hold the pressure and is moving already a little bit: if this happens you can release with full/max AB engine power.

(With an overload kh-41 etc. it makes a difference trust me)

BTW, full flaps are very important for producing drag.

[nscode]

When it is moving and you are holding brakes it means that blocked wheels skid the surface, and you are going to shorten their service life ;)

[TucksonSonny]

When it is moving and you are holding brakes it means that blocked wheels skid the surface, and you are going to shorten their service life ;)

 

You have a point there: the Russian tax payer has already a hard time (most of them anyway) :beer:

BTW, this trick works also very well on the tarmac (You need less tarmac).

[Force_Feedback]

You have a point there: the Russian tax payer has already a hard time (most of them anyway) :beer:

BTW, this trick works also very well on the tarmac (You need less tarmac).

 

Errm, most people in Russia and other former Soviet regimes don't pay taxes, as it's easier to pay off some "IRS" guy than to pay the taxes.

 

Yes, holding brakes is useful when you're heavy and taking off from short, straight runway, but the Kuz has chocks, they hold you until your power is maximal, and if you would be applying brakes, the brakes will keep slowing you down, even after you release the W key, as the brakes need time to apply and release (hydraulic fluids can't teleport, so the braking effort increases and decreases gradually). So when using brakes on the ramp you reduce your chances of taking off successfully.

[Kenan]

Oh cmon FF, with brakes you can TO anytime from Kuz. Not like, holding them for half an hour, just 2-3 seconds untill the plane starts rolling. It works every time and it works like a charm.

[Force_Feedback]

Oh cmon FF, with brakes you can TO anytime from Kuz. Not like, holding them for half an hour, just 2-3 seconds untill the plane starts rolling. It works every time and it works like a charm.

 

I'm not debating wether it's possible, but that it is unnecessary for beginning pilots, they don't need to be confused with holding their brakes on the Kuz.

[Kenan]

I'm not debating wether it's possible, but that it is unnecessary for beginning pilots, they don't need to be confused with holding their brakes on the Kuz.

 

On the contrary.

 

Noobs are there to be confused. Imagine them pressing those brakes forever and everytime dropping from the Kuz like a rock, coming back to this forum frustrated, crying about their unsuccessfull attempts, and us, cool veteran pilots telling them "Listen n00b, you're doing this wrong! You have to do it like -this- and -this-!" << lights up a cigar.

 

Then, the poor n00b takes our advice and gets lucky, manages to TO on few occasions, but still instinctivelly holds the "W" key and fells down like a plastic duck, screaming again how unlucky he is, and asks again for our profesi0n4ll 3XpertiZe and over and over again, while we have a good laugh and when n00b finally learns all the ropes of carrier take off, there comes another unlucky n00b with a simmilar problem..and our happines just never ends..or at least mine <evil laugh>...

[Force_Feedback]

On the contrary.

 

Noobs are there to be confused. Imagine them pressing those brakes forever and everytime dropping from the Kuz like a rock, coming back to this forum frustrated, crying about their unsuccessfull attempts, and us, cool veteran pilots telling them "Listen n00b, you're doing this wrong! You have to do it like -this- and -this-!" << lights up a cigar.

 

Then, the poor n00b takes our advice and gets lucky, manages to TO on few occasions, but still instinctivelly holds the "W" key and fells down like a plastic duck, screaming again how unlucky he is, and asks again for our profesi0n4ll 3XpertiZe and over and over again, while we have a good laugh and when n00b finally learns all the ropes of carrier take off, there comes another unlucky n00b with a simmilar problem..and our happines just never ends..or at least mine <evil laugh>...

 

Errm, why would a noob even think about holding down the brakes on the Kuz unless you give him hints, and holding brakes is totally unnecessary when taking off from the chocks. those tips are not needed for beginning flyers, and unnecessary when taking off with chocks in place.

[NY3D]

Got it guys !!!!

 

Hey guys,thanx a million for the input,I stayed up all night and worked at it over and over,taking in consideration what you guys said and now I got it down.Now comes the fun part...Landing this bad boy.:icon_supe Again,thanx guys:icon_weed

[nscode]

here's a tip: just make sure you do NOT crash into the ship, and u'll be fine :D

[S77th-konkussion]

NICE!! Now comes the debate on landing on instruments or visual. My advice is learn to land via the instruments as it will prepare you for any landing- regardless of the weather, time of day, etc etc. Not trying to pile on too much at once, but remember to:

 

If you are coming in from some distance start to slow and descend well before the approach. The NAV system will read about 4500 meters REQD. ALT on RTN leg. About 35 km out it will drop to 1800 m, and at ...10 or 12 out- 1000 m. Pay some heed to these numbers-

 

EDIT: Practice with touch-n-go's until you think your ready to drop the hook and trap!

 

LOWER TAILHOOK at initial descent (35km) or at worst- when turning onto final.

 

Flaps: if you're going much more than 370 deploying flaps will cause a fairly severe upwards pitch- slooow down....

 

Use the RTN waypoint! ILS will come on automatically. You won't need that much room to set up your landing as you get better- but don't sweat it now. If you pass by it and it does not come on for some reason- "1" again to activate it manually.

 

im at work more later.........

 

The Attitude direction indicator and the Vertical Velocity indicator are the primary instruments. The ADI is a wonderful tool for judging your left/ right alignment to the landing area (localization) It leans to either side and give you a great idea how your doing well in advance of seeing the wires. The glideslope is on it too- but I find it hard to see... anyway The VV lets you see how quickly you are dropping- it's very easy to drop down a lot more than you intended.

 

Enter the groove a bit higher than what is called for- and try to maintain around -10 @ around 320kph for most of the final approach. In the last oh.. 6 km or so- slow and try to hit.. no... CROSS OVER:D the fantail between 280 and 300.

 

You should find that about 80% throttle and sparing use of the brake will help you maintain these parameters. Weight will affect this too.