FONS Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Hi, i am trying to make the TM warthog throttle slider to work as a progressive headcam zoom. I go to axis commands, set the "zoom view" to the TM throttle "JOY_SLIDER1" and when testing it, zooming in and out, there's a lot of points in the axis that makes the camera to vibrate/shake. It's like the point is not completely accurate and the camera point moves between 2 points. So i tried to "axis adjustment" inside DCS controls, se the graphic to a progressive concave curve, with 20 points of deadzone, and set to slider. But it's still shaking in a lot of points. Has anyone set the camera zoom to any joystick slider? This happened to me also in the Saitek X-52 Pro, and i don't remember if i was able to solve it. Any clue? Thanks in advance. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SystemCPU: i7 4790K GPU: Asus GTX 970 4Gb MOBO: Asus Z97 PRO RAM: 16Gb OS: Win10 x64
FSFIan Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Start the TARGET GUI, click "manage LED state" below the throttle and deactivate the backlighting. The brightness of the backlight is controlled with PWM, which interferes with the slider's sensor. DCS-BIOS | How to export CMSP, RWR, etc. through MonitorSetup.lua
Laurius Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Hola Fons, In principle you shouldn't have to use TARGET GUI and the backlight control has nothing to do with your issue. Just go to "axis commands", select "zoom view", then "Add" and move the slider of the TM throttle back and forth. It should be registered. No curve nor dead zone are needed for that. That's what I did and it works fine. And this is valid for all the planes I have. Check also if there isn't a conflict with another input device regarding this function (mouse or TrackIR). Salud Laurius 1 Asus P8Z68 Deluxe, Intel Core i7-2600K (3.4 GHz), Corsair Vengeance 2x4096 Mo DDR3 1866 MHz, SSD 120 Go Vertex 2, EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW ACX 2.0 4Go (04G-P4-2978-KR), TM HOTAS Warthog #03797 (MB replaced), Saitek Combat Pro Rudder, TrackIR 5, TM Cougar MFDs with Lilliput 8" UM 80
McBlemmen Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I have the same problem with my x52 , luckyly it has a detent in the center so it doesnt stutter when its centered , but for zooming in its pretty ****ing annoying. I dont think it's fixable , though i was told the TM warthog slider on the throttle shouldnt do this so you may have faulty hardware. Then again , so may i... it is an x52 afterall ;D edit : though i have to say i'm gonna try ians thing and disable my LEDs, you never know Edited January 25, 2015 by McBlemmen
FONS Posted January 25, 2015 Author Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Thank you sir, didn't know that. I will test that later, as soon as i have some spare time. It's a pitty if i have to choose between the backlighting or the slider. Any other slider i could choose to use it as zoom? EDIT: I am thinking that if i was able to set an specific backlight value, maybe the slider would become free, and therefore, the slider wouldn't interfere with the backlight sensor, and that way i could use it porperly without loosing my backlighting. Dop you think this could be possible? If so, do you know how? Edited January 25, 2015 by FONS [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SystemCPU: i7 4790K GPU: Asus GTX 970 4Gb MOBO: Asus Z97 PRO RAM: 16Gb OS: Win10 x64
Yurgon Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 In principle you shouldn't have to use TARGET GUI and the backlight control has nothing to do with your issue. Yes it does. As far as I'm aware it's a (well) known problem and my unit definitely suffers from it as well. Also, AFAIK the backlight can be set to either off or full on and the problem will go away. The default state is somewhere in between, and that's when the slider becomes very imprecise.
DTWD Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Ian;2301803']Start the TARGET GUI, click "manage LED state" below the throttle and deactivate the backlighting. The brightness of the backlight is controlled with PWM, which interferes with the slider's sensor. This, I had the same problem a bit ago, this fixed it. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mtnbiker1998 Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I have this issue with a CH fighterstick, but only when plugged into a USB 2.0 port. When I plug it into a 3.0 its smooth. Come fly with me, lets fly, lets fly away! -Sinatra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My Specs: Lenovo Y50 with GTX 860m (2GB), i7 4700HQ 2.4GHz, 8GB Ram. Corsair K70(MX Blues are awesome!), Benq GW2760HS monitor, Steelseries V3 Prism headset, TM Warthog Hotas, Sidewinder FFB2 W/ FLCS grip, CH Pro pedals, TrackIR5, KW-908 Jetseat
Oydoron Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Has anyone checked to see if the firmware version has any effect on this issue? 1
Yurgon Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Has anyone checked to see if the firmware version has any effect on this issue? Interesting point. On my throttle I had FW 20. But when I just tested the slider behavior in the TARGET Device Analyzer the axis appeared rock solid. In any case, I updated to FW 23 on the throttle and I'll keep the LEDs in their default state for the time being and see if I get any problems. Maybe the issue was resolved by a firmware update after all.
King_Hrothgar Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 The jitteryness is due to the slider using a potentiometer instead of a hall sensor. With something like prop pitch or throttle, the jitters aren't noticeable. But a 1% jittering on zoom is very obvious and annoying. Sadly there isn't a solution to this, it's a fundamental problem with pots in general. So no, neither the warthog or X-52 in question are faulty. On my X-55 and the X-52 pro before it, I put in a small dead zone at the center point so I didn't have to worry about it at normal zoom. Putting in an axis curve can also get rid of it at light zoom in/out levels. Lastly, you can put in a deadzone at the outer limits, thus making max zoom in/out stable too. In any case, the backlight thing sounds like a red herring to me. The two are totally unrelated.
FSFIan Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 In any case, the backlight thing sounds like a red herring to me. The two are totally unrelated. It's not -- turning off the backlight eliminated the jitter for me, and re-enabling it reproducibly brings it back. Turning the backlight to full brightness, as others have suggested, will also eliminate the jitter. I have not tested that myself, but it makes sense because PWM at a 100% duty cycle does not have an AC component. Do you have a Warthog Throttle with this problem, and if so, have you actually tried turning off the backlight and had it not working? DCS-BIOS | How to export CMSP, RWR, etc. through MonitorSetup.lua
Oydoron Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 In any case, the backlight thing sounds like a red herring to me. The two are totally unrelated. Given the horribly ugly method my which the brightness is implemented in the firmware, I don't find it surprising.
Python Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Yeah mine has this issue also, always has, very annoying indeed but turning the lights off does stop it occurring. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yurgon Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 For the past few days I've kept the LED backlight at its default value (86 of 215) and right now I can't observe any kind of jitter when I use the slider as zoom. So, was this fixed with a firmware update? I'm certain the problem was much more pronounced when I got the Warthog, and I never even opened it. In case the problem re-appears, I'll post back here.
Yurgon Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 For the past few days I've kept the LED backlight at its default value (86 of 215) and right now I can't observe any kind of jitter when I use the slider as zoom. So, was this fixed with a firmware update? I'm certain the problem was much more pronounced when I got the Warthog, and I never even opened it. In case the problem re-appears, I'll post back here. Nope, the Firmware update didn't solve anything, the problem is still there with my unit. I think it's less pronounced when the slider is in the center position or at the extreme up/down positions, but in other positions the jitter is very annoying, so I'll retain the habit of switching the back-light off before I fly.
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