Issues with 4K resolution and monitor

[ESA Dodo]

I am using a 4K monitor (ASUS PQ321) at its full resolution (3840x2160). Detail is great, but I am experiencing some issues that must be solved.

 

Some input windows appear displaced forcing you to make a guess on where to write the required info, as in the multiplayer log dialog. Most of the text messages are shown in a unreadable size, at least for my eyes. A flying mate have provided me with a link to make some changes in the comms text size, and works great. But there are many messages still shown at the small size (training lessons messages for instance and almost everything).

 

Have any of you experienced the same problem/have any solution or recommendation?

 

Thanks a lot,

Edited April 18, 2015 by McFlurry

[Chief1942]

I'm personally using an ACER XB380HK which is 4K with G-Sync. I cannot use the 4K resolution for the very reasons you have stated. I am currently using 2560X1440 both for my computer screen resolution and the DCS in-game resolution. I did the resize of communications fonts and that helped quite a lot with that aspect of the sim. But alas, I think we with the higher resolution monitors are strapped with the sizing issue until such time as 2.0 is released. Perhaps then we will see some sort of resolution to this particular issue. Until then it is simply do the best you can. Even with my current OS (Win7) I have to use resizing of fonts and zoom to be able to read most printed material. Of course that is of little use within DCSW.

[Kuky]

Well size of fonts is related to number of pixels, not relative to screen percentage. So higher resolutions will give smaller fonts. I personally don't find it unreadable, but I do find it inconvenient for messages to be placed in top left and right corners, makes them hard to notice and read (not because they are small but at weird angle to look at)

[Greekbull]

I run 4K 60hz on a Vizio 50"... when I first got it I was having problems with a serious lag of sorts with the mouse. It was super slow and almost ghosting. I went into the GTX 970s Nvidia control panel and looked at the settings. They were at 3840x2160 30Hz. I changed that to 60Hz and everything was fast crisp and working correctly. Not sure if that will help but it might be worth it to check your settings.

[ESA Dodo]

I run 4K 60hz on a Vizio 50"... when I first got it I was having problems with a serious lag of sorts with the mouse. It was super slow and almost ghosting. I went into the GTX 970s Nvidia control panel and looked at the settings. They were at 3840x2160 30Hz. I changed that to 60Hz and everything was fast crisp and working correctly. Not sure if that will help but it might be worth it to check your settings.

 

I didn't pay attention to that. I have no problems like the one that you mentioned with the mouse. But I have just checked my system, just in case, and it doesn´t allow me to choose 60Hz for the 4K setting, even though it is supposed that the monitor and the video card supports it. The highest frecuency with that resolution is 30Hz, as you mentioned before. Maybe with a future update of my video card (present is a GeForce GTX 780 3Gb).

 

Thanks a lot,

 

McFlurry

Edited April 19, 2015 by McFlurry

[ESA Dodo]

I'm personally using an ACER XB380HK which is 4K with G-Sync. I cannot use the 4K resolution for the very reasons you have stated. I am currently using 2560X1440 both for my computer screen resolution and the DCS in-game resolution. I did the resize of communications fonts and that helped quite a lot with that aspect of the sim. But alas, I think we with the higher resolution monitors are strapped with the sizing issue until such time as 2.0 is released. Perhaps then we will see some sort of resolution to this particular issue. Until then it is simply do the best you can. Even with my current OS (Win7) I have to use resizing of fonts and zoom to be able to read most printed material. Of course that is of little use within DCSW.

 

Good to know I am not alone ;) I also think that it will be solved as more users become 4ker's

 

Are you at easy with the 2560x1440 res?

 

Thanks for your answer.

[ESA Dodo]

Well size of fonts is related to number of pixels, not relative to screen percentage. So higher resolutions will give smaller fonts. I personally don't find it unreadable, but I do find it inconvenient for messages to be placed in top left and right corners, makes them hard to notice and read (not because they are small but at weird angle to look at)

 

Hi Kuky, thanks for your comments.

 

I agree with you that being placed on the corners of the screen, make it more difficult to read, especially with big monitors. Even worse if, like myself, you have to wear progressive correction lenses with the close up area located at the botton of the glasses. I feel my neck making stange noises and the TrackIR view going to the clouds and beyond...

 

But I do also have problems with the font size and boxes missplacing.

 

Something similar happened to me with the TrackIR panel, where the botton area of info is missed. I have reported the problem to Natural Point support and they have told me that it is an already known issue that they are working on it right now.

 

Regards,

[Greekbull]

I didn't pay attention to that. I have no problems like the one that you mentioned with the mouse. But I have just checked my system, just in case, and it doesn´t allow me to choose 60Hz for the 4K setting, even though it is supposed that the monitor and the video card supports it. The highest frecuency with that resolution is 30Hz, as you mentioned before. Maybe with a future update of my video card (present is a GeForce GTX 780 3Gb).

 

Thanks a lot,

 

McFlurry

 

Hmm are you sure your using a new HDMI 2.0 cable. That could be the reason your not getting, 60hz. It only works with a 2.0 cable.

[ESA Dodo]

It took me by surprise when I got it, but the monitor only has one Display Port connection. As far as I know, Display Port supports 60Hz but I'm not quite sure.

Edited April 19, 2015 by McFlurry

[Greekbull]

Ah yes Display Port does support 60Hz

[ESA Dodo]

Ah yes Display Port does support 60Hz

 

Thanks!

[Chief1942]

It's okay

 

Good to know I am not alone ;) I also think that it will be solved as more users become 4ker's

 

Are you at easy with the 2560x1440 res?

 

Thanks for your answer.

 

 

I'm okay with the resolution I've settled on (2560X1440):thumbup:. Having a monitor capable of more than that could be frustrating but I see it as a future capability. I'm 72 and would challenge some of the "younger eyes" out there who have little trouble seeing the very small font sized script at very high resolutions to try it with my eyes:smilewink:. That's one of the challenges out there for sim producers, the end users are as diverse and varied as are the computers they use. I doubt they will ever be able to make everyone happy.

:thumbup:

[HeadHunter52]

Yeah, age has its pluses and minuses. I guess those of us with age eye issues simply have to concede that it would be similar to that for us if we were up there doing that with these old eyeballs.

 

Instead of Flying Tigers, is it Blind Tigers? LOL!

[ESA Dodo]

That's one of the challenges out there for sim producers, the end users are as diverse and varied as are the computers they use. I doubt they will ever be able to make everyone happy.

:thumbup:

 

That's true. At least with a big monitor at lower resolution we can have big text :doh:

 

It is great you are still flying. Rotary, Fix or both?

 

Regards

[Chief1942]

Yep! Still at it.

 

That's true. At least with a big monitor at lower resolution we can have big text :doh:

 

It is great you are still flying. Rotary, Fix or both?

 

Regards

I've been into flight sims since the mid-90's. Still have the original Microprose Falcon-4 binder/CD. Did all the Jane's stuff and Longbow 2. Stayed pretty much with Falcon4 as it went through all it's iterations. Then I discovered DCSW and the A-10C. I had tried SU-27 Flanker but just could not get the hang of it what with the Russian script and all:helpsmilie:. But with DCSW I got back in big time:pilotfly:. Got myself a Thrustmaster Warthog setup and put Falcon 4 and my Thrustmaster Cougar away for safe keeping. Eagle Dynamics has been great for me. The variety of offerings and the quality and complexity keep me at the PC, probably too much. The wife says learning all the different systems helps keep my mind sharp so she fully endorses my favorite pastime. One still cannot stop the clock so eyesight and hand-eye coordination continue to diminish with age. One of the beauties of PC flight sims, is if you make an error (and I make plenty), you simply do it again and again until you get better at it:joystick:. You don't end up pushing up daisies for one wrong judgment call.

I have several of the modules, mainly to support ED (the only waterhole in the desert for hardcore flight simmers:smilewink:) but mostly stay with aircraft from my actual era, the F-86 (actually worked on FJ-4 Furys in USMC)and Mustang. I do fly the A-10C a lot and have a pretty good understanding of all the systems, but prefer to fly single player and stay within my limitations. I'll probably die with a flight stick in my hand at the PC:music_whistling:.

[doveman]

It's a common problem with PC games. They should really have an option/slider to increase the text size so that it remains the same and still readable at higher resolutions.

[Demon_]

Well says Chief.

[ESA Dodo]

It's a common problem with PC games. They should really have an option/slider to increase the text size so that it remains the same and still readable at higher resolutions.

 

I agree with you Doveman; you have to touch inside too many LUA,s in DCS to manage properly text size changes that makes it painful.

 

If 4K is finally going to be the standard, developers should take care of it.

 

Regards,

[ESA Dodo]

You don't end up pushing up daisies for one wrong judgment call.

 

Though sometimes I feel like that :doh:

 

The best thing is that you have found something quite interesting to fill up all your spare time and to keep you sharp-minded. Don't forget to give the body, bones and muscles, also an opportunity.

 

:thumbup:

[doveman]

I agree with you Doveman; you have to touch inside too many LUA,s in DCS to manage properly text size changes that makes it painful.

 

If 4K is finally going to be the standard, developers should take care of it.

 

Regards,

It's not just DCS that has this problem of course. Airland Battle and Dreamfall Chapters are a couple of games I've found I can't play on my 50" TV at higher than 720p, as the text and interface elements get too small.

 

On the other hand, GTA V keeps those elements a constant size automatically even @ 2560*1440, so there's no reason why DCS couldn't manage to do so and ArmA3 has several settings for interface size, so it can be manually bumped up if playing at higher res. to keep it about the same size.

[ESA Dodo]

That's the way to go. :thumbup:

[plehmann]

hey Greekbull...and others....

 

Currently there is AFAIK no Cable specification for 2.0. It currently is HDMI 1.4b so upto the max length ~6m I believe 4K ( or more accurately 3820 x 2160) @60HZ should be fine. HDMI will typically degrade though 'sparkles being evident onscreen'. I stand to be corrected but the HDMI consortium has yet to release a spec as 1.4b is sufficient I've not personally had issue with running DCS on a UHDTV when testing on my new Set.

 

P

[Greekbull]

hey Greekbull...and others....

 

Currently there is AFAIK no Cable specification for 2.0. It currently is HDMI 1.4b so upto the max length ~6m I believe 4K ( or more accurately 3820 x 2160) @60HZ should be fine. HDMI will typically degrade though 'sparkles being evident onscreen'. I stand to be corrected but the HDMI consortium has yet to release a spec as 1.4b is sufficient I've not personally had issue with running DCS on a UHDTV when testing on my new Set.

 

P

 

Interesting. I wasn't able to get full 3820x2160 @ 60Hz with one of my existing HDMI cables. Although I admit I'm not sure if it was 1.3 or 1.4. I bought this cable:http://www.amazon.com/GearIT-High-Speed-Supports-Ethernet-Return/dp/B00HSWI70I/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1429634375&sr=1-2&keywords=HDMI+2.0 which is 2.0 and was immediately able to get the full 4K @ 60Hz out of it. I'm using a Vizio 50" 4K which has 4 4K @30Hz and 1 4K @ 60Hz inputs coming out of the HDMI 2.0 output of my EVGA GTX 970...

[cichlidfan]

I suspect that cable quality is the only issue. According to everything I have seen, 1.4 cables 'should' work.

[Greekbull]

Very well could be. I didn't know 1.4 could do 60Hz.