SDsc0rch Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 they were also flying the same route at the same time night after night usaf has a habit of doing that.......... i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
wilky510 Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Wasn't the offensive jamming not present that night either? Stealth is just a part of the pie, meant to be mixed into a bigger system. Offensive Jamming was always suppose to be part of the stealth package. Alot of parts fell into place for the F-117 shootdown.
SimFreak Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/Stealth-Fighter-Year-F-117-Pilot/dp/0760341354 This gives a good perspective about 117. To me it doesn't have enough fun...if that makes sense. Challenging parts are take-off, refueling and finding your target to drop a bomb.
SinusoidDelta Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 It's just a track for streaming. RCS is already modeled in the game, it always was (factors into countermeasure rejection probability). As for the real F-117, it had nothing to do with 'long wave radar', 'open bomb bay doors' or any other funny business. What happened is simply this: Those SAM sites are mobile, and the Serbs did not keep them in one place, and wisely so. Thus the probably SAM defense drawn on NATO maps was basically a shape/circle surrounding Belgrade; anywhere within that line you were in danger of running into a SAM. And that's exactly what happened with that (And another) F-117: They found themselves too close to those SAMs when the radar started operating, and they were legitimately detected and launched on at close range (around 30km or less, engagement was IIRC at around 17km). Stealth is there to help you sneak between the radar ... but it really helps if you know where they are. Perhaps the source is inaccurate but here's where I got that information: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=a43_1429013746 " Unknown to NATO, Yugoslav air defenses operators had found they could detect F-117s with their obsolete Soviet radars after some modifications. In 2005, Colonel Zoltán Dani confirmed in an interview suggested that those modifications involved using long wavelengths, allowing them to detect the aircraft when the wheel well or bomb bay doors were open. In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications, and thus were able to deploy their anti-air batteries at positions best suited to intercept NATO planes. On March 27, 1999, the 3rd Battalion of the 250th Air Defence Missile Brigade of the Army of Yugoslavia , under the command of Colonel Dani , downed F-117 Air Force serial number 82-0806 , callsign "Vega 31". The Army of Yugoslavia unit was equipped with a Yugoslav version of the Soviet Isayev S-125 "Neva" missile system ( NATO reporting name , SA-3 "Goa" ). At about 8:15 pm local time, with a range of about 8 miles (13 km) several missiles were launched. According to Sergeant Dragan Matić, who was identified in 2009 as the soldier who fired the missiles, they detected the F-117 at a range of about 50 to 60 kilometres (31 to 37 mi), operating their equipment for no more than 17 seconds to avoid being locked on to by NATO anti-air suppression. According to Dani in a 2007 interview, his troops spotted the aircraft on radar when its bomb-bay doors opened, raising its radar signature. " - See more at: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=a43_1429013746#sthash.Sd3vlqHz.dpuf
lokodehortaleza Posted July 11, 2015 Author Posted July 11, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/Stealth-Fighter-Year-F-117-Pilot/dp/0760341354 This gives a good perspective about 117. To me it doesn't have enough fun...if that makes sense. Challenging parts are take-off, refueling and finding your target to drop a bomb. Surely flying the black jet in historic Desert Storm or Allied Force style, against outdated enemies, with complete allied air superiority, and aborting mission in case of pop up threats wouldn't be very exciting. But a late 80's Cold War gone hot scenario, against look down capable interceptors with AWACS support, SA-10, SA-15, SA-19... That i'd like to try!
GGTharos Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Zoltan's actual testimony, and the pilot's testimony pretty much refute most of the detail written in articles that are the basis of this story. There is indeed much better information out there; I don't have it handy, but probably googling 'Zoltan Dani' will reveal a bunch of it. Perhaps the source is inaccurate but here's where I got that information: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=a43_1429013746 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Sierra99 Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 F-117 has been retired for about 7 years now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had enough information to create one for DCS. Since most of the classified elements of the F-117A involved the design and stealth coatings...I'd think it would be fairly easy to make. And unlike the real world, ED could manipulate the RCS at will. Sierra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
Sierra99 Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 It's just a track for streaming. RCS is already modeled in the game, it always was (factors into countermeasure rejection probability). As for the real F-117, it had nothing to do with 'long wave radar', 'open bomb bay doors' or any other funny business. What happened is simply this: Those SAM sites are mobile, and the Serbs did not keep them in one place, and wisely so. Thus the probably SAM defense drawn on NATO maps was basically a shape/circle surrounding Belgrade; anywhere within that line you were in danger of running into a SAM. And that's exactly what happened with that (And another) F-117: They found themselves too close to those SAMs when the radar started operating, and they were legitimately detected and launched on at close range (around 30km or less, engagement was IIRC at around 17km). Stealth is there to help you sneak between the radar ... but it really helps if you know where they are. Another aspect was the fact we had flown the same mission profiles for the previous week. (Takeoff times, routes everything). It wasn't until about June we started getting smarter about repeating our actions. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
FoxHoundELite Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 very good website about the Black Jet ;) http://www.f-117a.com/ Feel the Rush of Superior Air Power [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mizzy Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I apologies to member SDsc0rch, I get a bit heated now and again and even though I am old, I still get a bit of the monthly cycle syndrome. Please no jokes, if you lot had to go though what we do, it's no joking matter. Anyway, my apology. Mizzy
SDsc0rch Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 no worries man 1 i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 When did Nevada become available? It hasn't, that is from one of the live streams...Unless your referring to the before Alpha back when the original DCS-A10C was release? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
frixon28 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Anyone else see Bunyap's latest video about the new airbase where the F-117's were housed before they were publicly revealed and how from a technological/classified standpoint its easily possible it could make it into DCS. Makes you wonder...
Donut Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Anyone else see Bunyap's latest video about the new airbase where the F-117's were housed before they were publicly revealed and how from a technological/classified standpoint its easily possible it could make it into DCS. Makes you wonder... I noticed that too considering how they like to drop little clues here and there. To add to the speculation, the F-117 was also mentioned when discussing Tonopah in last weeks newsletter. It may have just been some information included while discussing the significance of the airfield as the F-117 of course has a history there but it does make you wonder... i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT"
Weta43 Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 There have occasionally been things go through testing that were initially labelled as something they were not... Cheers.
Donut Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 There have occasionally been things go through testing that were initially labelled as something they were not... Are you saying that ED has looked at the F-117 as a potential module and decided to have it as an AI plane only or that an F-117 AI plane was made but now it is being considered for a future module? i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT"
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