MIG-29 MFD

mattebubben · October 2, 2015

With the 1.5 Update the MFD on the Mig-29 has been changed to only have the HUD repeater option.

Is it true that the Mig-29 MFD only has this fuction in real life (Early 29s like the Mig-29 9.12 (Mig-29A/G) and Mig-29 9.13 (Mig-29S) )

ive been unabale to find many pictures of the Mig-29 Cockpit with the MDF active.

Kuky · October 2, 2015

Yes it's true, the MFD is just HUD repeater

SilentGun · October 2, 2015

So it's HDD option was removed?

Kuky · October 2, 2015

Yes, it has been removed, it is now just a HUD repeater.

pepin1234 · October 2, 2015

Then Mig-29 Soviet version have datalink for Air-ground controlled data as well for AWACS. How gone be simulated then?

PD: I just see the thread have been moved to Military and aviation, nothing to do then...

Edited October 2, 2015 by pepin1234

Esac_mirmidon · October 2, 2015

With HUD symbols and the ADI.

Guiding rings like following the ADI in landing mode but in this case following GCI signals. Not a true datalink but a radio guided signal reveicer.

Lazur system.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Esac_mirmidon

SilentGun · October 3, 2015

Well I guess not all the cockpit systems are working. Like the afterburner lights and the fuel gauge.

So maybe it will get fixed in a later update or something.

ФрогФут · October 3, 2015

Then Mig-29 Soviet version have datalink for Air-ground controlled data as well for AWACS. How gone be simulated then?

PD: I just see the thread have been moved to Military and aviation, nothing to do then...

It was never meant to work with AWACS. Only ground control.

Aries · October 3, 2015

So you're actually telling us you made a gorgeous 6DOF for the Fulcrum and killed its MFD at the same time?

How do we call that, WIN/LOOSE?

:wallbash:

RoflSeal · October 3, 2015

You can see it here at around 1:40

McBlemmen · October 3, 2015

Never really understood what the point was of a hud repeater to be honest. I guess now it can no longer be called an "MFD" since there is no "multi function" to speak of

mattebubben · October 3, 2015

Thanks mate have watched that video before but never noticed that you could see the MFD (lit) at times.

Esac_mirmidon · October 3, 2015

The Head Down Display is there to help pilots in extreme bright light conditions, when the HUD is very difficult to read.

And ED isnt deleting anything. The Mig-29 9-12 , 9-13 doesnt have any tactical display mode for the HDD. It has only a repeat mode of the HUD.

Gruja · October 3, 2015

MiG-29 9-13 is not same as MiG-29s (modernised 9-13)

MiG-29 (Product 9.13)

MiG-29 variant similar to the 9.12, but with an enlarged fuselage spine containing additional fuel and a Gardeniya active jammer. Product 9.13S is also version with the same airframe as the 9.13, but with an increased external weapons load of 4,000 kg, and provision for two underwing fuel tanks. Radar upgraded to N019ME, providing an ability to track 10 targets and engage two simultaneously. Compatible with the Vympel R-77 (AA-12 "Adder") air-to-air missile (similar to the AIM-120 AMRAAM). NATO reporting code is "Fulcrum-C".

MiG-29S (Product 9.13)

The MiG-29S, given the NATO reporting code "Fulcrum-C", features flight control system improvements; a total of four new computers provide better stability augmentation and controllability with an increase of 2° in angle of attack (AoA). An improved mechanical-hydraulic flight control system allows for greater control surface deflections. The MiG-29S has a dorsal hump, which led to its nickname "Fatback", houses the L-203BE Gardenyia-1 ECM system. The MiG-29S can carry 1,150 liter (304 US gallon, 2,000 lb) under wing drop tanks and a centerline tank. The inboard underwing hardpoints allow a tandem pylon arrangement for carrying a larger payload of 4,000 kg (8,820 lb). Overall maximum gross weight has been raised to 20,000 kg (44,000 lb). Build only for domestic use. Early MiG-29S featured an IRST sighting system; the MiG-29S improvement kit includes the Phazotron N019M radar and Built-In Test Equipment (BITE) to reduce dependence on ground support equipment. Improvements to software and processing capabilities enables the tracking of up to 10 targets and the simultaneous engagement of two with the R-77 missile. The MiG-29S also has a limited ground-attack capability.

Fu..k me if MiG-29S does not have MFD.

Esac_mirmidon · October 3, 2015

Hi Gruja.

This is ESA XDDD

I´m talking about Mig-29 9-12 and 9-13 versions. Both dont´have the tactical mode in the HDD.

i´m not sure about 9-13S and the tactical mode in the HDD. Maybe, but to have such option it also must have installed one of the datalink systems similar to the SU-27 equipment and i can´t find any reliable source of information about a datalink for the tactical display in the 9-13S.

Alfa · October 3, 2015

MiG-29 9-13 is not same as MiG-29s (modernised 9-13)

Yes it is - aside from the modified radar, its practically the same aircraft.

All other features mentioned; the "humpback", ECM, ability to carry wing droptanks, improved FCS etc. are features already introduced with the MiG-29(9.13) "Fulcrum C".

Aries · October 4, 2015

Ok... to cut this story short... is the radar display going to be in the new 6DOF Fulcrum or not?

Cause I spent 20 minutes searching for the MFD switch content key guys... and it was a big question mark when I realized there was none...

Haukka81 · October 4, 2015

Ok... to cut this story short... is the radar display going to be in the new 6DOF Fulcrum or not?

Cause I spent 20 minutes searching for the MFD switch content key guys... and it was a big question mark when I realized there was none...

Short answer: No , its not in real plane so no go for dcs too.

pepin1234 · October 4, 2015

Short answer: No , its not in real plane so no go for dcs too.

The only confirmed in what you said is that is not planed simulate the MFD mode. But this confirmation about that version Mig-29S is not made with MFD mode as the Su-27S is not clear.

The Mig-29S is a modernized 9-13, so don't misunderstand...

Esac_mirmidon · October 4, 2015

The 9-13 and the 9-13S are practically de same aircraft.

pepin1234 · October 4, 2015

The 9-13 and the 9-13S are practically de same aircraft.

Mig-29S or 9-13S have several developed stages...

Edited October 4, 2015 by pepin1234

Esac_mirmidon · October 4, 2015

Like almost everything in Russian Aerospace industry in the past century.

It´s quite difficult to find a dozen airframes exactly of the same model with the same equipment. A nightmare.

But essentialy 9-13 and 9-13S are the same, except for the radar improvement. Obviously, time pass and some airframes were improved, some not, and different airframes were improved with different equipment. Not always the same, and not always the same level.

But the point is that the Mig-29 9-12/9-13 and maybe the 9-13S never had any Tactical Display Mode on the HDD. The only "datalink" used was the Lazur system. A GCI radio link to send target information through the HUD and the navigation instruments to help pilot to be guided to the target, both manual or automatic mode.

That´s all.

No datalink, or tactical mode like the Su-27S. In the Flanker there are the datalink system К-ДлаЭ that allow the Su-27 to act in groups, sharing data between flight groups and use the HDD like a tactical display.

The Mig-29 9-12/9-13 doesn´t have any equipment like the К-ДлаЭ, nor any dials to act in groups, pairs or linked with other Mig-29 in flight. You can´t find any of this panels inside the cockpit.

pepin1234 · October 4, 2015

You don't know what is implemented in the last stage of the 9-13S development, also the upgrade have not been made to the ex soviet republics, so what you gone find there are an extensive 9-13S early versions while the later updates was made in the Russians 9-13S and upgraded airframes.

Even the R-77 never have been exported to the ex-soviets 9-13S users and Ukrania should not have this missile in game for example...

Edited October 4, 2015 by pepin1234

Esac_mirmidon · October 4, 2015

This is because i´m using " maybe ".

I´m quite sure for the 9-12 and 9-13. Not so much for the 9-13S. But i bet also no.

The Mig-29M and M2 (Mig-29K + KUB ) and the Mig-35 are totally different beasts.

Gruja · October 4, 2015

You don't know what is implemented in the last stage of the 9-13S development, also the upgrade have not been made to the ex soviet republics, so what you gone find there are an extensive 9-13S early versions while the later updates was made in the Russians 9-13S and upgraded airframes.

Even the R-77 never have been exported to the ex-soviets 9-13S users and Ukrania should not have this missile in game for example...

You are wright...

This is cockpit picture of Serbian MiG-29b (MiG-29a - 9-12 export version) and look at the MFD.

If 9-12 can have MFD then 9-13 can have it for shure.... As Pepin said you don't know what is implemented in the last stage of the 9-13S.

Problem is that ED made only base versions of Russian fighters while on other side we have F-15c wich is advanced version of that aircraft.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Gruja

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