ФрогФут Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 This is cockpit picture of Serbian MiG-29b (MiG-29a - 9-12 export version) and look at the MFD. This was the special modernization. Stock 9.12,13,13S all have the same HDD with same functionality. And none of the 9.13S was modernized that way. Another variant is MiG-29UPG for India, which is alsa made from aircraft in service. http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Mig-29/media/Mig/mig29upg11.jpg.html Why not this one? "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
Gruja Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 At least ED dont need to make new MiG-29, they can do something like this to solve problem... Just give back old HDD to MiG and do some small changes in cockpit.. Yes this is Su-33 cockpit but it can be done with MiG too....
ФрогФут Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 At least ED dont need to make new MiG-29, they can do something like this to solve problem... Just give back old HDD to MiG and do some small changes in cockpit.. Yes this is Su-33 cockpit but it can be done with MiG too.... Why do you think, that this MFD shows route? "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
Alfa Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Why do you think, that this MFD shows route? Because he wants to :D JJ
Aries Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 OMG give us the Radar screen back, don't kill the frikkin gameplay... ..it was there for 10 years and now it can't be... WTF!?!??! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ...the few, the proud, the remaining...
FSKRipper Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) OMG give us the Radar screen back, don't kill the frikkin gameplay... ..it was there for 10 years and now it can't be... WTF!?!??! Because a simulation of a specific plane variant doesn't implement features that are not there in RL. :music_whistling: Similar to those demands for Bison upgrades for the 21bis only because todays variants use it. Edited October 5, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
pepin1234 Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Because a simulation of a specific plane variant doesn't implement features that are not there in RL. :music_whistling: Similar to those demands for Bison upgrades for the 21bis only because todays variants use it. The situational awareness of the Mig-29S without HDD haven been killed, this is obvious... BUT this what you said that is not there in Real Life is not like that in the game for example: 1rt- The main user Country of the Mig-21 is not added as new countries list, THIS IS VIETNAM. Also Cuba the only country in America active user of Mig-21 doing in a high conflict in Angola, Africa. So you can't simulate these conflicts. Both Cold War conflicts and both won by the Allies Soviet. 2nd- The R-77 missile have been exported to few countries. Why Ukranian Mig-29S have R-77? This country have not R-77 in RL... You see... Not all is like in Real life simulation and I am pretty sure the last versions of the Mig-29S have something to do with improvements in situational awareness [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Dudikoff Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 1rt- The main user Country of the Mig-21 is not added as new countries list, THIS IS VIETNAM. Also Cuba the only country in America active user of Mig-21 doing in a high conflict in Angola, Africa. So you can't simulate these conflicts. Both Cold War conflicts and both won by the Allies Soviet. What does this have to do with the topic? In any case, to simulate those, you'd need maps first, no? 2nd- The R-77 missile have been exported to few countries. Why Ukranian Mig-29S have R-77? This country have not R-77 in RL... Neither does Russia, so what? The planes can use them and the scenario designer can decide whether or not to include them. You see... Not all is like in Real life simulation and I am pretty sure the last versions of the Mig-29S have something to do with improvements in situational awareness What 'last versions' of MiG-29S? There were some later export versions to various countries, but these are not the Soviet 'MiG-29 9.13S' which is supposedly in the game. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
pepin1234 Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) What does this have to do with the topic? In any case, to simulate those, you'd need maps first, no? Not about the topic but about the simulation in the real life and was an answer about the real life question and the simulation in game. Neither does Russia, so what? What you mean with this? The Mig-29S is not a DCS module and is not in every country like A-10C etc. What 'last versions' of MiG-29S? There were some later export versions to various countries, but these are not the Soviet 'MiG-29 9.13S' which is supposedly in the game. The Mig-29S was the internal version for the Soviets. The developed was made like the Su-25SM do now, by stages. The last upgrade stages was made in the current formed Russian federation and the upgrade made is not a huge one but was to do with the IFF and some others stuffs... Edited October 5, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I dont understand why people insist. The Mig-29 modelled in DCS dont have a tactical display. The HDD is only a HUD repeater. Period. Asking for one because is easier to play with it is like asking for an APG-77 for the A-10C because the same reason. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Gruja Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Because he wants to :D I am Su-25 pilot and realy dont need any MFD in cockpit. I use to fly like this and dont have a problem with that. I talking in the name of those people who dont like this situation with MiG-29. What 'last versions' of MiG-29S? There were some later export versions to various countries, but these are not the Soviet 'MiG-29 9.13S' which is supposedly in the game. Thats ok if we takling about Russian planes but we have other countries like Serbia who have MiGs 9-12 and 9-13 with even colored MFDs. So if we thinking like you then those countries who are in the game like Serbia again, should have MiGs with MFD cozz they have it in real life....
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 This is not a Mig-29 cockpit. And for other versions of the Mig-29 ask ED to build Serbian, German or Indian versions. The one we have is a russian one. No Tactical Display, so.... " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
ФрогФут Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Asymmetrical cockpit - Su. Malaysian 9.13S do not have additional fuel tank on the back, but have refuelling probe. We can't make just everything, we have the most common MiG out there in the game, that's it. Edited October 5, 2015 by ФрогФут "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
Dudikoff Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) What you mean with this? The Mig-29S is not a DCS module and is not in every country like A-10C etc. I think it should be quite clear from the quoted part, but OK.. I meant that RuAF doesn't have the original R-77 missiles in their inventory either and never really has AFAIK. The Mig-29S was the internal version for the Soviets. The developed was made like the Su-25SM do now, by stages. The last upgrade stages was made in the current formed Russian federation and the upgrade made is not a huge one but was to do with the IFF and some others stuffs... There were less than 50 9.13S built IIRC and maybe two dozen remained in Russian inventory. These are supposedly simulated (or more precisely, they have TWS2 mode and can carry R-77 missiles plus other 9.13 features like extra weapons, fuel and the internal ECM jammer) in the game as they were built. I have no idea about subsequent upgrades regarding the IFF (seems logical to expect those to be kept up to date for operational planes), but I don't see how that's relevant to the topic. Edited October 5, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
pepin1234 Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) I think it should be quite clear from the quoted part, but OK.. I meant that RuAF doesn't have the original R-77 missiles in their inventory either and never really has AFAIK.. Did you notice that I avoid talk about this ridiculous theory before...? I have no idea about subsequent upgrades regarding the IFF (seems logical to expect those to be kept up to date for operational planes), but I don't see how that's relevant to the topic. exactly you right Edited October 5, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Gruja Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 This is not a Mig-29 cockpit. And for other versions of the Mig-29 ask ED to build Serbian, German or Indian versions. The one we have is a russian one. No Tactical Display, so.... I know ESA the point was the MFD wich is similar to that in MiGs cockpit. I put it cozz dont have picture of MiGs one...
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 It could be great to have more versions of the Mig-29 but taking in count the limited time and resources ED has we are lucky enough to have one, with new 3D in progress and maybe AFM in the future. So enjoy what we have now. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
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