OVERSPEED Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Hi! :thumbup: I was testing a long fligt with the L 39 from Mozdok to Krymsk to see how it performs at high altitudes... As soon as I reached 6000m I switch on the 100% oxigen supply... My oxigen lever is set to on and the air is flowing to the mask (I can see the oxigen indicator decreasing and the lungs indicator seem to work fine) Everything seems to be ok but suddenly after 20 minutes or so at high alttitude my pilot cant perform any action or switch any button... If I take control of the trainer seat everything is black and when I finish my mission the log only says... "Pilot dead" This sudden death seems hypoxia to me but there was no blackout or blurry screen before the sudden death of the pilot as it happens with other modules like the Mig 21. My oxigen supply was working nominal and I still had plenty of O2 when this happened. It happened twice but I forgot to keep the track... Is easy to replicate so if its necessary I will post a track. Thanks. Dale un ojo a mi canal de youtube dedicado a la simulación AQUI
xxJohnxx Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 I think there was some talk about the rear seat affecting the front seat as well. Make sure that you have turned on oxygen for both the front and the rear pilot. Also, I don't think there is a need for 100% oxygen except emergency cases. Check out my YouTube: xxJohnxx Intel i7 6800k watercooled | ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 | 32 GB RAM | Asus GTX1080 watercooled
OVERSPEED Posted October 12, 2015 Author Posted October 12, 2015 I think there was some talk about the rear seat affecting the front seat as well. Make sure that you have turned on oxygen for both the front and the rear pilot. Also, I don't think there is a need for 100% oxygen except emergency cases. The first time I had my Oxigen switch to NORMAL... The second time in Oxigen 100% I died on both :megalol: But maybe the problem was that the oxigen in the back seat was disabled and it affected to the front seat. I will switch both of them on and see what happens. Dale un ojo a mi canal de youtube dedicado a la simulación AQUI
Laro Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 The only problem is, that the oxygen valve is always closed (front / rear seat). If you set the aircraft to solo flight, you can't open the valve for the rear seat and your pilot on the front seat dies. I think this is a bug.
OVERSPEED Posted October 13, 2015 Author Posted October 13, 2015 The only problem is, that the oxygen valve is always closed (front / rear seat). If you set the aircraft to solo flight, you can't open the valve for the rear seat and your pilot on the front seat dies. I think this is a bug. Well at least in singleplayer we can switch to the trainer seat, open the oxigen valve and switch back to the front... Lets hope that they fix it soon so we can go high in Multi without suffocating. The weird thing is that there is no hypoxia effect (blurry screen) so its very difficult to prevent. It suddenly happens... :P Dale un ojo a mi canal de youtube dedicado a la simulación AQUI
vladd148 Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Well at least in singleplayer we can switch to the trainer seat, open the oxigen valve and switch back to the front... Lets hope that they fix it soon so we can go high in Multi without suffocating. The weird thing is that there is no hypoxia effect (blurry screen) so its very difficult to prevent. It suddenly happens... :P Kind of like it happens IRL. For some people, the onset of hypoxia can be euphoria, belligerence, or very mild symptoms that are very difficult to recognize!
Derbysieger Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) How long does it take until you get this? I've now been flying for almost 30min at 8000m without problems. Maybe you just left the temperature settings of your environmental systems where it was at the start? I set it to ~20°C. Edit: aaaand I'm dead lol Edited October 13, 2015 by Derbysieger CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
gospadin Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Edit: aaaand I'm dead lol Hahaha. Was this single player? Did you enable oxygen flow in both seats? Or only one of them? My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
Derbysieger Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Multiplayer, so only front seat as I didn't have someone in the back. What I noticed is that there is a switch for helmet ventilation but I presume that has something to do defogging the visor? Also the suit ventilation knob isn't working (yet?). CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
gospadin Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Multiplayer, so only front seat as I didn't have someone in the back. What I noticed is that there is a switch for helmet ventilation but I presume that has something to do defogging the visor? Also the suit ventilation knob isn't working (yet?). Oxygen flow rate should be at your left hip both front and rear (I think). I'll try to reproduce after work today. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
Derbysieger Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Oh I did turn on the oxygen in the front seat! And I even watched the pressure slowly drop as I flew at high altitude. It was around 100kg/cm² when I died and I didn't get any of the usual hypoxia effects that we know from other modules like the A-10C or the MiG-21 (blurry vision). CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
gospadin Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 So did a long, high altitude flight (34,500') in single player. First, both front and rear oxygen gate knob defaults to closed. I opened them shortly after takeoff, saw oxygen pressure climb (right oxygen gauge), and then ascended to altitude. Flew a while letting oxygen decrease down to about 85, and nothing changed. Went into back seat, and closed oxygen gate. Vision started to blur within ~15 seconds or so. I then recovered when oxygen gate was opened again. Tried closing oxygen gate in the rear, and using the rear passenger's bottle connect, was able to breathe just fine in the rear seat, even with the rear oxygen valve closed. Then I closed the bottle connect, left the rear oxygen valve closed, and let the rear seat pilot black out completely. Flew around for another 5-8 minutes, and his screen was completely black. Then I descended to 5000', and he woke back up. Seems to work as expected (though rear seat pilot probably should have died). Had no trouble switching back and forth between unconscious pilot in rear and functional pilot on the front. Note this was all singleplayer, however, even if the rear pilot blacks out, it didn't seem to affect my game at all in the front seat. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
Derbysieger Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Maybe it's a problem in MP then? As I said, I didn't get any hypoxia effects and my vision didn't black out. I was able to look around the cockpit like always, I just couldn't hit any switches and none of my control inputs registered. Oxygen was on (although only front seat) and pressure at ~100kg/cm² when this happened. The aircraft kept flying at around Mmax at ~8000m after I died (or lost the ability to control the aircraft). This happened after about two hours of flying in multiplayer so I'm afraid my track is absolutely useless. CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
TaygaMongun Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Just had a flight at 7000m. Was practising with the RSBN, but just as I was 130 km out, no control input response, nothing is intractable and clickable, oxygen and environmental controls set correctly in the front, but because MP, I can't do anything in the back. I do believe this is a problem with MP.
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 This was about to get a new thread. I did single player flight out of Beslan. As soon as I reached 2000 meters, the front pilot started the tunnel, then I dropped down quickly chopping throttle. Then he blacked out. I switched to rear pilot and he was fine, till I hit radio PTT to ask Beslan for emergency landing, when all controls froze but front pilot was still in black, I couldn't regain control after radio but had control in the back before radio as I reversed the dive. Definitely a bug. Sent from my SM-T231 using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 You guys turn the blue ones ccw before flying, the helmet bla blah and you're set! I reached contrails! Sent from my SM-T231 using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 KV-2MS «BOTTLES INTERCONNECT» oxygen valve connects front and rear cockpit air lines. Located in rear cockpit. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
TaygaMongun Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 You guys turn the blue ones ccw before flying, the helmet bla blah and you're set! I reached contrails! Sent from my SM-T231 using Tapatalk The problem here is when people plan on longer high altitude MP flights that's not a solo L-39, without a player in the backseat, they cannot go into the back and turn the valve for the back pilot on.
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Ah but I was correcting a misconception that each seat has its own system, which is not because of interconnect. Sent from my SM-T231 using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
gospadin Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Yes, each seat has their own system. Bottle interconnect is for when the instructor in the rear seat realizes that the student in the front forgot to turn on their own oxygen. If the front seat student has their oxygen on, there's no way for the rear seat instructor to "block" the oxygen of the student. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Ah, I stand corrected then. In any case I think both should be wound counter-clockwise (or mousewheel down). AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
gospadin Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Ah, I stand corrected then. In any case I think both should be wound counter-clockwise (or mousewheel down). Correct, which is what the tooltip says. Both oxygen bottle valves are fully closed at cold start, so you should open the bottle as you climb through 2000m. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
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