rlogue Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 How hard would it be to improve the formation lights so that they would be effective at night from 4000 - 6000 ft ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S77th-GOYA Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 For ED or a community member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamocl Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diveplane Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 i agree the nav lights are terrible - su25t we need strobes on the jets....,few times i have nearly hit planes at night not seeing them near base, once in air away from home plate turn off the lights for combat mode like the real pilots https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 There are lots of these on planes Navigation lights, position lights, strobe lights, taxi lights, landing lights (gear lights), formation lights (which should work with nightvision googles as well). Su-25T is using some new 3D model format that actually has something to do with new way of drawing nav lights in LockOn engine. I'm sure we'll see these new lights on all new heli models when 1.2 comes out. I guess you are asking for those, right? As far I know these [true] formation tape lights are not visible at distances. Pilots can also control their brightness. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotsx74 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Well then we should be able to as well, becuase Its a pain not being able to form up correctly becuase you cant see what the hell is in front of you untill your on top of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamocl Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I think he was asking for those formation lights (the green strip lights). As you said, pilot controlled brightness. Would help a lot in formation flying at night. The strips are visible on the aircraft, but they have no illumination at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungaroJET Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 i agree the nav lights are terrible - su25t we need strobes on the jets....,few times i have nearly hit planes at night not seeing them near base, once in air away from home plate turn off the lights for combat mode like the real pilots i agree...awful :(...impossible 2 see another planes...except if it's very close but in IL2...great ! ...have U ever tried ?...lights in the night (on planes) R much more better/visible 1 Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I think he was asking for those formation lights (the green strip lights). As you said, pilot controlled brightness. Would help a lot in formation flying at night. The strips are visible on the aircraft, but they have no illumination at the moment. They are illuminated (tape formation lights), and they work in LockOn! Only on US planes though and you have no control over them. They are on by default and dissapear from view over ~200m. Problem is navigation lights on old models are not visible over 200m. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamocl Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I wish I had my PC running to test that shamandgg. I don't recall them to be honest, and I guess they must be very dull if present at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I'll post a screenshot, give me few minutes. okey, here they are: http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_027.jpg http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_028.jpg http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_029.jpg tape formation lights in LockOn, on F-18, F-14 you'll find them on other planes as well... like I said you'll start to see them in when you are about 200m or closer. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Somebody said a while ago that the Russian jets didn't have strobes, I find it hard to believe, they sure do have beacons and positioning lights in real life. About the strobes I'm not sure, but it would be strange if they really did lack them. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamocl Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I'll post a screenshot, give me few minutes. okey, here they are: http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_027.jpg http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_028.jpg http://www.dreadwolf.republika.pl/images/ScreenShot_029.jpg tape formation lights in LockOn, on F-18, F-14 you'll find them on other planes as well... like I said you'll start to see them in when you are about 200m or closer. Ok, ok, I will give you those. But I fly the ground pounders, so I very rarely get to fly in formation with an F18 (by rarely I mean never have). Since the 25T doesnt have them, I was limiting my experience to the A-10. The hog has them, they are visible in day time, but I don't think I have ever seen them lit up at night. Again, I am happy for you to prove me wrong, but I can't ever recolect flying in formation in the dark in an A-10 and seeing my online wingmen/lead with lit formation stips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diveplane Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Somebody said a while ago that the Russian jets didn't have strobes, they have beacons ,not strobes look at the su25t they flash like that, and that speed on the russian jets .... us jets have nav lights beacons and strobes and strip lights on some off them... check my site out http://alamai10.hollosite.com/archers%20site/ https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504 Wolverine Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 The A-10 does indeed have them. As Shaman says it depends how close you get to the a/c. [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlogue Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 This is all fine and dandy .. but, I want to see the lights from 4000 to 6000 feet away. Before anyone says it .. this is not unrealistic .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diveplane Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 i have emailed han on this topic, just wait and see check this splendid video on the ka50 note the beacon and light http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Kamov_Ka-50-Airline_Untitled_Aviation_Video-6113.html https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diveplane Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 this video if you look really careful you can see the slow flashing off the russian light beacon system on the jets, so the dev team have got the su25t nearly spot on , just need the other jets done like that http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Sukhoi_Su-27-Airline_Russia_-_Air_Force_Aviation_Video-3363.html flash very slow, alternate red green red green , also the tail white beacon flashes as well very slow, the su25t in game stays steady? if any 1 can find other footage off russian su27 33 mig su25t lighting systems post up guys.... https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Not sure about Russian procedure with light usage, but on US aircraft the beacon is generally only used on the ground. It is actually there for the purpose of warning others on the ground that your engines are running, and isn't usually used in flight. :D Oh...and IRL...don't use strobes in clouds...unless you have a death wish. The vertigo they create with an optical illusion is pretty crazy, and dangerous. BTW...the slime lights are designed NOT to be detected beyond a certain distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlogue Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 Not sure about Russian procedure with light usage, but on US aircraft the beacon is generally only used on the ground. It is actually there for the purpose of warning others on the ground that your engines are running, and isn't usually used in flight. :D Oh...and IRL...don't use strobes in clouds...unless you have a death wish. The vertigo they create with an optical illusion is pretty crazy, and dangerous. BTW...the slime lights are designed NOT to be detected beyond a certain distance. But .. they are visible in tactical formations .. which is why they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Tactical formations beyond the 200 meters already acknowledged? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Uhm ... tactical formations are flown 4000-6000 feet apart, that was never a secret, as far as I can recall ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Oops...LOL...that's not what I meant. I was talking about the post in this thread that said, in-game, that they didn't seem to be visible beyond 200 meters. That sounds about right to me, but it might not be. Didn't mean to suggest that it was a secret. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Hawk Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 ... but I can't ever recolect flying in formation in the dark in an A-10 and seeing my online wingmen/lead with lit formation stips. IIRC the formation strips are only active when you are in the NAV modes (key 1) and when you are in any other mode (bombing, BVR, A2A combat generally, keys 2-6) they are turned off. 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhen Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Not sure about Russian procedure with light usage, but on US aircraft the beacon is generally only used on the ground. It is actually there for the purpose of warning others on the ground that your engines are running, and isn't usually used in flight. :D Oh...and IRL...don't use strobes in clouds...unless you have a death wish. The vertigo they create with an optical illusion is pretty crazy, and dangerous. BTW...the slime lights are designed NOT to be detected beyond a certain distance. Well... not quite. :) The beacon is part of the "see and avoid" part of flying around, especially in high traffic areas such as - practically anywhere in CONUS. We routinely use the beacon depending on where we are in the formation. Lead doesn't use it because it causes problems for the other formation members, during night ops. However, during day ops, the're pretty benign things and I've never had any problems with a flashing red beacon. However a white strobe would indeed be a problem. Formation lights are visible in tactical formations (wall, etc.). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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