F/A-18C PS charts

[Hummingbird]

I was wondering if anyone might have access to PS charts for the F-18C at specific loadings and altitude? I asked in another thread but I'm not sure that would be the right place to ask.

 

Anyway if anyone have such charts then here's the place to post and discuss them.

 

Best I've been able to dig up so far is the NATOP manuals:

https://publicintelligence.net/u-s-navy-f-18-natops-flight-manuals/

 

But they contain no specific energy charts.

[Bushmanni]

The other available F-18 charts have also been edited into a form that precludes deriving even approximate PS charts from them. When considering the effort to hide this data from people who don't need to know, I doubt you can get your hands on them in legal way.

[Hummingbird]

The other available F-18 charts have also been edited into a form that precludes deriving even approximate PS charts from them. When considering the effort to hide this data from people who don't need to know, I doubt you can get your hands on them in legal way.

 

Well the information is freely available on the other legacy aircraft such as the F-15, F-16 & F14, thus I think you can be pretty sure it's the same for the F-18C. As for the E/F well that's another matter.

[Hummingbird]

This is perhaps abit of a surprising chart:

 

According to this the F/A-18C actually features a higher max STR & ITR than the F-16C Blk 52.

 

The chart was prepared by the Swiss ALR (ARBEITSGRUPPE FÜR LUFT- UND RAUMFAHRT

GROUPE DE DÉVELOPPEMENT DE PROJETS AÉROSPATIAUX), i.e. Aerospace project development group.

 

http://www.alr-aerospace.ch/Performance_Mission_Analysis.php

[Emu]

I was wondering if anyone might have access to PS charts for the F-18C at specific loadings and altitude? I asked in another thread but I'm not sure that would be the right place to ask.

 

Anyway if anyone have such charts then here's the place to post and discuss them.

 

Best I've been able to dig up so far is the NATOP manuals:

https://publicintelligence.net/u-s-navy-f-18-natops-flight-manuals/

 

But they contain no specific energy charts.

You probably won't find any better than the NATOPS manual.

 

Edited November 3, 2015 by Emu

[Krippz]

You probably won't find any better than the NATOPS manual.

 

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure that isn't from a NATOPs manual.

[Bear21]

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure that isn't from a NATOPs manual.

 

That's from Boeing marketing material to explain why the Super Hornet is a better alternative. Observe it loads up the 18C with three bags to get the same radius of action. On internal fuel the 18C turns faster than the Super Hornet, though it's a bit unfair as the SH can fly longer on internal fuel.

[Bear21]

This is perhaps abit of a surprising chart:

 

According to this the F/A-18C actually features a higher max STR & ITR than the F-16C Blk 52.

 

The chart was prepared by the Swiss ALR (ARBEITSGRUPPE FÜR LUFT- UND RAUMFAHRT

GROUPE DE DÉVELOPPEMENT DE PROJETS AÉROSPATIAUX), i.e. Aerospace project development group.

 

http://www.alr-aerospace.ch/Performa...n_Analysis.php

 

This chart is probably correct, it fits with my observations when doing BFM versus Mig-29 and Su-27 with the models. It's very hard to win a Mig-29 one circle fight with the F16 as you need to hit the corner speed of 440kts exactly and stay there. Then you only keep up with the Mig-29 and the Su-27 beats you. It's almost impossible to find a speed range where you outturn a Mig-29 (which the F-16 vs Mig-29 diagrams says as well).

 

The F-18 shall be flown 100kts slower, then it turns inside the Mig and Su, then you are in the control position ie on the 6 after a while.

 

The F-16 has a too small wing, this is why it's optimum speed is higher, the Hornet's larger wing and especially larger span (to reduce induced drag which dominates in a sustained hard turn) makes it the better BFM Guns fighter.

[jojo]

The trick is that this is a 9G rated F/A-18C...

 

Swiss procured Hornet for Air Defense only and have specific modifications to the airframe.

 

In DCS you would need to use the paddle switch...

[Hummingbird]

The chart is also quite unspecific in that it says nothing about weight, load out or altitude.

[Ghostraider]

Be careful abut those Postings Check Forum Rules 1.16 and 1.8

[Hummingbird]

Don't worry the above doesn't fall under that, as it's freely available via the link and is very unspecific.

[Ghostraider]

Free available YES but

 

The following documents are labeled DISTRIBUTION STATEMENT C: Distribution authorized to U.S. Government agencies only and their contractors to protect publications required for official use or for administrative or operational purposes only.

[Hummingbird]

Keep in mind that they were posted before the rule even existed.