F-16C Question

[Ghostrida9]

I set the Humancockpit to yes and took a ride wit the F-16C, ok the thing wit the Su-27 cockpit ain't perfekt but anyway, its still not bad. But...!! I brake mach 1 without Afterburners and full Loadout, that cant be right, (I mean, the F-16 aint got Supercruise right:smartass:). So I tryed to change the Maximum speed of the F-16C and the Su-27 inside the Meinit.xml (Something wit 1600)

but it didnt work, the F-16C can still pass the Mach brake without Afterburners, is there a way to change this??

[Arbitrator]

i think it's bc you are using su27's power to push f16's body, of course it can pass mach 1 easily.

[HungaroJET]

i think it's bc you are using su27's power to push f16's body, of course it can pass mach 1 easily.

 

Yep...flyable AIs use Su-27 thrust for the true/original plane weight...

 

...4xmpl: (light planes) F-5 flies hypersonic while with the (heavy planes) B-1B almost impossible 2 take off/speeding up :(

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Ghostrida9 - this technique of humancockpit=yes was introduced in FC v1.1 to assist movie makers and screenshot makers.

 

Don't be surprised that any particular aircraft (they are not flyables remember!) then has an inaccurate flight profile. It is because they are not flyables. You will get the behaviour that Hungarojet said, it is because they are not flyables.

[tflash]

But can we be more specific? E.g. suppose we put human cockpit="yes" for Hornet:

 

- what FM is used? A simplified AI FM for Hornet or Su-27 FM?

- what radar is used? Su-27 radar?

 

I must confess I am a long time Hornet humancockpit=yesser doing Photoshoots all along :D

[tflash]

I'd like to come back to this.

 

first, Humancockpit = yes is a poor choice for movemakers and air-to-air photography, since rudder and aileron movement are not animated and effects are ill-placed.

 

second, more intriguing, when I fly with a Aim-120C equipped F-16 or F-18 instead of the F-15:

 

- I can lock earlier

- AI bogeys do not manage to beam

- my first AIM-120C kills the bogey

 

The most absurd is in an air-to-air over the sea by clear weather at medium level.

 

In F-15, you lock a Mig-23. It immediately - and consistently - dives in a beaming manoevre and you immediatly loose lock (all those fish in the sea must give tremendous "ground clutter"). After reacquiring you shoot and of course your first missile goes nowhere.

 

Do the same in a yessed F-16, and you just lock, shoot, and kill.

[Pilotasso]

Yep...flyable AIs use Su-27 thrust for the true/original plane weight...

 

...4xmpl: (light planes) F-5 flies hypersonic while with the (heavy planes) B-1B almost impossible 2 take off/speeding up :(

 

Weight only determines how quickly it accelereates to maximum speed, not the max speed itself. What determines max speed is drag properties.

[Weta43]

True, but drag is (even for equally slippery designs) in some way proportional to size, so 20,000 lb thrust will push a 1/4 scale model of a plane along faster than the full size plane.

So, with the same thrust the small, light F-5 will accelerate fast & have a high top speed, where the heavy, big B1-B will lumber along the runway & never get going very fast at all...

[Force_Feedback]

big B1-B will lumber along the runway & never get going very fast at all...

 

You have to do a mil-AB brake hold, then accelerate clean up until 240 kph, then full flaps, pull jently to take off, immediately gear-up, combat flaps, accelerate to 360, flaps up, and fly away.