Mig 15 or Sabre?

[Mil 24 Hind Mind]

The more I play this sim the more hooked I get. So with the current sale I am split between which of these aircraft I would like best so I thought I would ask this great group of informative pilots.

 

My considerations so far: I have always had a thing for migs but would be very satisfied with the Sabre module if it has what I am looking for. Of the two planes, which one has the most versatile mission functions and weapons availability? Do these modules have premade missions? I know I can make my own, but I do like having missions with a module already made. Do both of these modules have clickable controls? Finished flight models?

 

Any Mig vs Sabre input would be welcome. I am really looking forward to flying one these early jets.:pilotfly:

 

EDIT: Yes, I realize some of my questions are kind of answered on the store page, but I was looking forward to what people who have used these modules have to say.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Mil 24 Hind Mind

[Suchacz]

I will say only four words...

 

POM POM POM POM! :gun_rifle:

 

[Art-J]

F-86 - 5 stock instant action missions, 6 single missions, no tutorial missions.

MiG-15 - 5 stock instant action missions, 3 single missions, 5 tutorial missions.

 

Don't know about custom, user made missions/campaigns.

 

Sabre is more versatile and offers more stuff to learn - guns and guided missiles for A-A; guns, bombs and unguided rockets for A-G, semi-automated gunsight and weapon release system with 3 or 4 bombing modes (depending on how you count it).

 

MiG - guns for A-A and A-G, tiny bombs for A-G, simple gyro gunsight only.

[RoflSeal]

The best multi-function of the two is the Sabre. It can carry both rockets and some heavy bombs while the MiG only has 2 100kg bombs.

 

Both have clickable cockpits, they both have EFM if that is what you ask, but Belsimtek is still tweaking them since they mentioned them in the 1.5 patchnotes.

 

There are some premade missions for both of them though its not much. There is no campaign.

 

Sadly multiplayer scene is pretty empty. I pretty much never see a Korea server with more then half a dozen people. Sabre vs MiG dogfights are probably the most intense in the game when you get in one. (And even more sadly, the timing of the MiG vs Sabre contest couldn't of been at a worst time for me :( )

Edited November 9, 2015 by RoflSeal

[Mil 24 Hind Mind]

I will say only four words...

 

POM POM POM POM! :gun_rifle:

 

I think we speak the same language.:D

[Exorcet]

When it comes to single player, the AI is better at flying the MiG. Flying the MiG against F-86's is much easier than the reverse. AI F-86's like to burn energy and eventually become sitting ducks. It's a bit of a nuisance when you're leading a Sabre flight and all your wingmen end up stalling just off the ground. For that reason, the MiG might feel a little more immersive fly. If things feel too easy you can always add more F-86's to fight or sandbag your MiG's with ext tanks and forbid them from dropping them. There is also the issue of the AI MiG being hyper durable, which can be annoying when you run out of 50 cal ammo shredding their tails. It will probably be fixed eventually, but for now it's a hard issue to ignore. The MiG's cannons have no problem killing Sabres.

 

Both modules are good fun I find, but the F-86 AI doesn't make me feel like I'm flying with professional pilots in a combat situation.

[King_Hrothgar]

Content wise, they are about the same (very minimal) but both are a joy to fly. That said, I like the MiG better. I find it more interesting to fly due to it's ability to exceed its maximum mach while in level flight. In terms of combat effectiveness, I'll take a potato cannon over a spitwad straw any day. Get up close, and that 37mm will ruin anyone's day. The actual performance between the two is fairly balanced, the MiG climbs and accelerates better while the F-86 is a little faster and a better diver. They have similar agility up to mach 0.75, at which point the MiG stiffens and eventually becomes uncontrollable while the F-86 stiffens and gets difficult to control.

 

As for flight models and systems, they are both full fidelity. Being 1950's aircraft, there isn't much there systems wise. The F-86 has a radar sight + manual backup while the MiG-15 has manual only. I only ever use the sights in fixed mode though, it's impossible to hit anything with the cross hairs bouncing around.

 

In terms of versatility, the F-86 has bombs and up to 16 rockets in addition to the guns. It also has a pair of GAR-8 air to air missiles, but those things are hilariously bad. You couldn't hit Sochi with one of those even if the whole city were on fire. The MiG-15 has a pair of small bombs and its cannons. The bombs aren't terribly interesting, but the cannons are fairly effective in strafing.

[Nerd1000]

even if the whole city were on fire.

That can be arranged...

 

[Mil 24 Hind Mind]

Thanks everyone. Especially for info about things like AI and weapon performance. I am really leaning towards the MiG 15 now.

 

I thought for sure I was going for the Sabre just because of versatility, but I had to remember my initial intention of getting an early A2A jet for building my skills on that subject. Since the MiG seems to work better against the AI, that 37mm cannon, and training missions I think it may be better for me. Plus I think I will be a little more excited to fly the MiG and save the weapons versatility for newer crafts.

[Deano87]

Clearly the answer is Both... tbh

 

They are both relatively simple aircraft to learn and i really enjoyed learning both of them at the same time.

[mjmorrow]

Clearly the answer is Both... tbh

 

They are both relatively simple aircraft to learn and i really enjoyed learning both of them at the same time.

 

Ultimately, I think that Deano has the right approach, especially since the OP is a fan of Migs. My DCS dream ride is the Mig-17F. Right now there is no Mig-17F in DCS. Fortunately, we do have the Mig-15bis and the F86F. Both of these machines influenced the design of the Mig-17F. The Mig-15bis introduces me to some aspects of the Mig-17F, in terms of armament, basic cockpit layout, and similar start up procedures and systems management, while the F86F introduces me to such Mig-17F related matters as the proper use of radar ranging gun sight technology.

 

One day, when we do have a Mig-17F, I am going to really benefit from my, then, years of experience with both the Mig-15bis and the F-86F. So, while I do strongly prefer the Mig-15bis, since it most reminds me of my DCS dream ride, the Mig-17F, I also really appreciate the F86F, especially that beautiful radar ranging gun sight. I am glad that I have both add-ons.

 

:thumbup: MJ

Edited November 10, 2015 by mjmorrow

[Aluminum Donkey]

The more I play this sim the more hooked I get. So with the current sale I am split between which of these aircraft I would like best so I thought I would ask this great group of informative pilots.

 

My considerations so far: I have always had a thing for migs but would be very satisfied with the Sabre module if it has what I am looking for. Of the two planes, which one has the most versatile mission functions and weapons availability? Do these modules have premade missions? I know I can make my own, but I do like having missions with a module already made. Do both of these modules have clickable controls? Finished flight models?

 

Any Mig vs Sabre input would be welcome. I am really looking forward to flying one these early jets.:pilotfly:

 

EDIT: Yes, I realize some of my questions are kind of answered on the store page, but I was looking forward to what people who have used these modules have to say.

 

Just get both of 'em! If you can afford the machine to run them on, you can easily afford the two modules, especially when they're on sale.

 

Both aircraft are interesting and tricky to fly. The MiG-15 is a better-performing aircraft with better armament; it's also harder to make use of because by the time you've gained a favourable position over the F-86, you're going so slow from turning in circles that the F-86 has better controllability :) Tip: lower the MiG's wing flaps to the takeoff position below 450 to 500 km/h to gain controllability at low speeds. It'll help you pull more Gs. The MiG has a higher wing loading than the F-86, so the flaps help a lot when you've slowed down--just remember to raise them again when accelerating past about 450 km/h otherwise they will jam :) The flaps take time to lower and raise, so stay ahead of the game.

 

The MiG is more maneuverable overall in terms of turning ability and engine power, but to me it feels like more work to fly. It's more tiring, but for some reason I find it more interesting. Maybe it's that huge 37mm cannon :) The F-86 has a higher roll rate, but despite it's lower wing loading the MiG seems to turn better (with the use of flaps at the lower speeds.)

 

To really appreciate one, requires the other. Get both modules :)

 

Peace and happy warfare :D

Ian

[Swordfish]

I have both. I'd pick the MIG 15 anyday