Air refueling

[xjiks]

Any tip for being so steady as un this vidéo above? When i tried my plane was doing yoyo up and down impossible to connect. As soon as i make radio precontact the sensitivity is terrible!

[Aginor]

Try flying with FBW on "Charges", and adjust your pitch and roll curves to 25 or so. Worked well for me.

[xjiks]

I will try, thanks

[flyingscotsman]

Thanks for the Video, about the only way I'll see it working, not likely to be happening on a screen near me lol. Looking forward to this....are we breaking FAA regs by refuelling over a city?....not that we'll tell

[104th_Maverick]

I was trying before with a banking tanker and was very diffult to even connect, let alone keep connected for a few minutes. Did you try that?

 

Yeah I made the mistake of trying in the turn on my very first try, it took me a good number of attempts before I got it right, not easy in the current state :)

 

 

 

Any tip for being so steady as un this vidéo above? When i tried my plane was doing yoyo up and down impossible to connect. As soon as i make radio precontact the sensitivity is terrible!

 

You have to walk the throttle back and forward like a mad man, and I mean .... a mad man!

Think of rowing a boat with one hand as fast as you can!

 

If you watch the video again and look at the RPM gauge on the right hand side you'll see its constantly changing. This is because I'm pumping the throttle back and forward within a certain range at least 4-5 times a second!

It takes a lot of work just to stay still, and you have to maintain this work rate.

As soon as you start to reduce the amount of throttle travel you're going to start going places :)

 

The devs have already mentioned that the flight model will change in future updates, so I'm looking forward to seeing how this affects the AAR.

 

 

are we breaking FAA regs by refueling over a city?....not that we'll tell

 

 

The actual refueling isn't modeled yet so technically no, as it was a dry refuel ;)

 

Nice to see another Scot! Not many of us around on DCS

[bart]

;2620654']Video demo of AAR.

 

Watch out, its very tricky!

 

 

 

 

 

What part are you struggling with?

 

But you make it look so easy! :D :joystick:

 

Nice video Maverick.....:thumbup:

 

What you said in a later post about having to pump the throttle to keep position......that can not be realistic surely! I had many trips in VC10 tankers when I was in the RAF and witnessed lots or AAR and it ain't easy for the pilots at first, but the pumping of the throttle thing has to be a limitation of AAR in game as that doesn't happen in real life. Yes throttle adjustments take place obviously, but to that extent :O

 

Hope they get it implemented soon.

 

On another note I absolutely suck at AAR, I struggle with the A10-C, but would love to master it.

Edited January 1, 2016 by bart

[Maxzouz]

I was wondering ... how much time does it take to refuel the 2000-C with for example one external tank ?

[atonium83]

I was wondering ... how much time does it take to refuel the 2000-C with for example one external tank ?

 

Approximately between 5 and 15 minutes, depend of the configuration. For a Fox configuration (one external tank) I think 7 or 10 minutes.

[Hook47]

Tried this today. It was a PITA at first but once I got the hang of managing the throttle it came together. Hope this gets fixed in the upcoming patch!

[statrekmike]

I also hope it gets fixed in the upcoming patch, this is one of those things that really needs to work to make the plane functional for a wider variety of mission types.

[johnv2pt0]

Approximately between 5 and 15 minutes, depend of the configuration. For a Fox configuration (one external tank) I think 7 or 10 minutes.

 

That seems like a long time. Is that just a flow limitation of the basket/probe design or is the bottleneck in the Mirage itself? A C-17 can go from near empty to 220,000 lbs in about 15-20 from a 135.

[gospadin]

(per wikipedia) probe and drogue has significantly slower fuel flow than the boom on a KC-135

[atonium83]

Fuel flow during aerial refueling for a Mirage 2000 or Rafale is around 800Kgs/min

[ttaylor0024]

That seems like a long time. Is that just a flow limitation of the basket/probe design or is the bottleneck in the Mirage itself? A C-17 can go from near empty to 220,000 lbs in about 15-20 from a 135.

 

Correct, it's a limitation based on the system itself.

[Para_Bellum]

Sorry for noob question, but how do I get tanker to extend bucket?

 

Did you try the tanker radio commands?

[Dun_Aenghus]

Did Razbam ever confirm whether a French version of the KC135 would be added to the module eventually? Seems pretty similar to the U.S. version, just with a hose and basket hanging off the boom.

[Azrayen]

Quite.

We have 11 C-135FR with the boom (that can accomodate either a nozzle or a basket) + MPRS (i.e. wings pods with basket).

And 3 KC-135FR only with the boom (that can accomodate either a nozzle or a basket).

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KC135family.jpg

Edited January 13, 2016 by Azrayen

[gospadin]

I'm looking forward to seeing 3 mirages refueling simultaneously!

[Hook47]

I'm looking forward to seeing 3 mirages refueling simultaneously!

 

It seems right now that even though the IL 78 has three booms, only two extend, I would love to be able to do three of Razbam adds a so equipped tanker

[ImTooLazy]

Any tips about correction ? I managed a 2min lock with the bucket with very slow and gentle inputs corrections but just one small mistake and it become very problematic...

[Aginor]

Well, the only tip I have for correction is the very basic one: Don't look at the basket or the hose, look at the tanker. Work with canopy cues to see small movement.

Maybe use a curve for your stick and throttle axes so you can move it very precisely.

[Azrayen]

I'm looking forward to seeing 3 mirages refueling simultaneously!

If you want to fly realistically, 2 max.

Wings or boom, not both at the same time.

[ImTooLazy]

Well, the only tip I have for correction is the very basic one: Don't look at the basket or the hose, look at the tanker. Work with canopy cues to see small movement.

Maybe use a curve for your stick and throttle axes so you can move it very precisely.

 

This is really good advice, work much better that way :thumbup:

[jcbak]

This is really good advice, work much better that way :thumbup:

Absolutely....if you try to fly the basket you'll be all over the sky. Also, don't accelerate too quickly in order to dive at the basket to connect....you might make a connection but you won't maintain it. Slow and steady is good....no different than refueling any of the other aircraft.

[Durnox]

After failing in a MP-session to hold a connect longer than...hmm...1/10s I tried it yesterday in an own solo-mission (DCS1.5). Well, I'm not very experienced with the ME (nor air refuelling).

 

Anyway: I took a S-3 (?) heading east and placed my m2k some miles behind it. I gave the both 280kn initial speen in the ME - or at least I thought so.

 

Now: Whem I approach the tanker to get to the precontact I was too fast. Surprisingly the tanker's speed was around 180kn and I had some problems to fly such slow.

 

1st question: How can I set the speed in the ME higher? 180kn seems much too slow, right?

 

After I finally managed to get into the precontact position and told the tanker so - he accellerated...I think to 240kn - or something around this.

btw: this behaviour I've seen in my first try in a MP-session in DCS-2, too.

 

2nd-4th question:

* what speed SHOULD be hold during air refuelling? (by the S-3)

* why did he accellerate after precontact?

* what would be the correct configurtaion in ME for the tanker?

 

Finally: For me a very small axis-curve worked better (0-4). For the A10c I had something around 20-25 and I used that for the m2k, too, but the m2k reacts quite differently on stick input. With 0-4 I managed 10-20s contacts at once.