Upgrade possibilities to RAZBAM's Mirage 2000C

[openfalcon68]

First of all, again, a big THANK YOU to RAZBAM for the Mirage 2000C.

 

I fully realize that the add-on is in beta state and there is lots to be done to make it a complete Mirage 2000C as envisaged originally by RAZBAM.

 

I am hopeful that someday we will see the following in RAZBAM's Mirage 2000.

 

• Litening Pod (Its already there in the A-10C and would it really be that difficult to integrate it into the Mirage 2000 ? ) The Litening and the Atlis have been integrated subsequently in real life on the Indian Mirage 2000H and TH and I am sure there are others.
   
  
• GBL1000 LGB and BLU-66 CBUs, these are also integrated on the Indian Mirages.
   
  
• Perhaps the Ground Modes of the radar ? Not sure if the capability is there in real life
  

 

Thanks for the attention

 

Manish

[codefox]

• Perhaps the Ground Modes of the radar ? Not sure if the capability is there in real life
  

 

This is a thing I'd really want to see once DCS gets the capability to simulate ground radar. The Mirage is capable of this irl but the switches in the DCS one are inoperable.

[Flagrum]

First of all, again, a big THANK YOU to RAZBAM for the Mirage 2000C.

 

I fully realize that the add-on is in beta state and there is lots to be done to make it a complete Mirage 2000C as envisaged originally by RAZBAM.

 

I am hopeful that someday we will see the following in RAZBAM's Mirage 2000.

 

• Litening Pod (Its already there in the A-10C and would it really be that difficult to integrate it into the Mirage 2000 ? ) The Litening and the Atlis have been integrated subsequently in real life on the Indian Mirage 2000H and TH and I am sure there are others.
  
• GBL1000 LGB and BLU-66 CBUs, these are also integrated on the Indian Mirages.
  
• Perhaps the Ground Modes of the radar ? Not sure if the capability is there in real life
  

 

Thanks for the attention

 

Manish

inb4 someone else states that the envisioned aircraft is the M2KC, not an Indian H, TH or others. :o)

 

So, no ground radar (RDI!).

 

But GBU 16 and GBU 24 are already possible, the BLG 66 is in the works.

[mattebubben]

First of all, again, a big THANK YOU to RAZBAM for the Mirage 2000C.

 

I fully realize that the add-on is in beta state and there is lots to be done to make it a complete Mirage 2000C as envisaged originally by RAZBAM.

 

I am hopeful that someday we will see the following in RAZBAM's Mirage 2000.

 

• Litening Pod (Its already there in the A-10C and would it really be that difficult to integrate it into the Mirage 2000 ? ) The Litening and the Atlis have been integrated subsequently in real life on the Indian Mirage 2000H and TH and I am sure there are others.
  
• GBL1000 LGB and BLU-66 CBUs, these are also integrated on the Indian Mirages.
  
• Perhaps the Ground Modes of the radar ? Not sure if the capability is there in real life
  

 

Thanks for the attention

 

Manish

 

Easiest thing would probably be doing the M2000E (export variant of the C)

 

All export variants before the -5 are M2000Es (With all variants like the indian H or the Egyptian M being only very slightley different in what weapons have been wired for them).

 

But All M2000Es had the abillity to use the ATLIS II Targeting pod (day only) by default.

 

wich would let them use Laser guided munitions (like GBUs and AS-30Ls)

 

And multiple Nations that aquired the M2000E had the Altis including Egypt,india and Peru.

 

Atleast Egypt and Peru also employs the ARMAT sead missile with their M2000Es.

 

This would be a great way to get a multirole capable aircraft.

 

And should require much less work then making a 2000-5 or a new aircraft all together.

 

Since external model is 99% identical flight model is the same with the only visual difference being a slight change in the cockpit due to display having multiple modes including displaying the information (video) from the targeting pod.

 

so other then the Targeting pod modes the only noticable change would be that the radar is a slight downgrade.

(Using an RDM+ Radar instead of the RDI)

 

But since they still employ the same weapons its not a huge differance since the RDM+ would still have spotted any target well before weapons range for the Super 530.

 

An E would probably be my dream addition since it should not take to much time after the full release of the C if they decided to add an E aslong as they could find the info on the Atlis II pod / operation of the Atlis II Pod.

Edited December 30, 2015 by mattebubben

[King_Hrothgar]

Adding stuff like that goes against the whole realism thing. However, I do generally support adding additional payware variants to DCS aircraft if they are substantially different. For example, I think it would be a good idea for RAZBAM to do a Mirage 2000-5 as both a stand alone product ($60) and as a $15 addon to the Mirage 2000C. It would not overwrite the Mirage 2000C, we would simply have an additional model of it. A reverse upgrade would also be appropriate in such a case, so if someone bought the 2000-5 first, they could then get the older C model for $15 as an addon to that.

[mattebubben]

I agree with that payment method Hrothgar and i was also thinking of something similar.

 

Since if they did the work for a slightley different variant they would deserve to be payed for the effort but i would probably not be willing to pay

"full price" for a slight change.

 

Id prefer a M2000E over a 2000-5 though since the 2000-5 would require ALOT more work and is a whole different kind of beast when it comes to cockpit systems radar and weapons and as such it would require alot more time and effort not to speak about the fact that would probably be harder to get all the info.

 

My hopes are For and E since that would still leave room for the C since it would still have a slight radar edge over the E and you could/would have them operate in tandem and they could make it in alot shorter time.

 

While the 2000-5 on the other hand would make the 2000c a bit superfluous since the 2000-5 could do everything better then 2000c could.

 

While a 2000C and a 2000E would compliment eachother would be fun having 2000E-2000Cs flying together with the C flying cap or the E buddy lazing for the C for example.

 

and i would be more then happy to add 10-15 (or even 20!!!) $ to have an E addon (with a standalone full price variant for those without the C) since for me the chance to have a true multirole aircraft that can use a targeting pod laze for guided munitions and preform sead tasks aswell as having IR+Radar Guided missiles would be well worth that cost.

 

And if it would be ready before the F-18 or any other multirole (wich would be very likley since it would probably take less then 5-6 months if they started work when the C was fully released) that could give alot of interest / customers since it would be the first true multirole.

Edited December 30, 2015 by mattebubben

[jcbak]

My only concern regarding the Mirage 2000C variant is it's limited capability as an addition to the DCS sandbox. Don't misunderstand me, I am really enjoying learning the aircraft and I can't wait until everything is fixed/implemented. One of the many great things about the DCS A10C (a masterpiece) is how it offers a wide array of mission scenarios. It would be a shame if the M2000 couldn't be "upgraded" because RAZBAM has done a beautiful job modelling the aircraft and in particular the cockpit (take a flight at 7AM in June at Nellis and the sun/shadows are beautiful). I would happily pay a reasonable amount for an upgrade as suggested by King Hrothgar.

 

I'm may not know much about business, but thinking long term.....If I were RAZBAM I would hope to be selling this module for years to come. How will it compete with the likes of aircraft planned for the future. Put yourself in the place of a future newcomer to DCS.

Edited December 30, 2015 by jcbak

[openfalcon68]

I agree.

 

I just realized that I am hoping for the E variant.

Sure I'd buy it if one were to be developed.

 

Manish

 

 

One of the many great things about the DCS A10C (a masterpiece) is how it offers a wide array of mission scenarios. It would be a shame if the M2000 couldn't be "upgraded" because RAZBAM has done a beautiful job modelling the aircraft and in particular the cockpit (take a flight at 7AM in June at Nellis and the sun/shadows are beautiful). I would happily pay a reasonable amount for an upgrade as suggested by King Hrothgar.

 

I'm may not know much about business, but thinking long term.....If I were RAZBAM I would hope to be selling this module for years to come. How will it compete with the likes of aircraft planned for the future. Put yourself in the place of a future newcomer to DCS.

[jojo]

Mirage 2000 C RDI have limited AG radar mode, but it has:

- AG ranging

- map mode

- terrain avoidance

 

Last 2 modes are not available in any DCS plane yet...

[OnlyforDCS]

Second the E variant. Its basically the same aeroplane with a slightly downgraded radar, however it can carry the MICA IR missile! :)

 

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[jojo]

Second the E variant. Its basically the same aeroplane with a slightly downgraded radar, however it can carry the MICA IR missile! :)

 

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I don't know the source, but it's probably BS. No Mica IR on 2000 E RDM.

Edited December 30, 2015 by jojo

[gospadin]

My only concern regarding the Mirage 2000C variant is it's limited capability as an addition to the DCS sandbox.

 

I don't understand this comment.

 

It functions as a BVR interceptor, with the Matra Super 530D missile (similar to AIM-7)

It functions as a WVR fighter, with the R.550 Magic II (all-aspect, similar to sidewinder)

It can carry French and US iron bombs, both clean (Mk-82) and retarded/snakeeye variations.

It can carry cluster bombs.

It can carry precision weapons like the GBU-10 and GBU-12 for JTAC-directed or buddy-lased strikes.

 

Yes, it's not a great CAS plane to aid troops. It's more of a fast strike plane and/or air superiority aircraft, but that doesn't mean it's limited to me.

 

On a PVP server like the 104th, I think it's a great addition, and I see myself flying it instead of the MiG-21 for a lot of multi-role fun. (4x Mk-82, center tank, 2x 530D, 2x R.550 ... go help the ground pounders, but be able to provide on-demand CAP as needed)

[Azrayen]

a slightly downgraded radar

Slightly.:megalol::megalol:

 

Good one. Really :thumbup:

[ckelly14]

Adding stuff like that goes against the whole realism thing. However, I do generally support adding additional payware variants to DCS aircraft if they are substantially different. For example, I think it would be a good idea for RAZBAM to do a Mirage 2000-5 as both a stand alone product ($60) and as a $15 addon to the Mirage 2000C. It would not overwrite the Mirage 2000C, we would simply have an additional model of it. A reverse upgrade would also be appropriate in such a case, so if someone bought the 2000-5 first, they could then get the older C model for $15 as an addon to that.

 

I would gladly pay well over $15 for a true modern, multi-role, supersonic fighter in DCS-level realism. This is the holy grail that many people, including myself, are waiting for, somewhat patiently...

[gospadin]

I would gladly pay well over $15 for a true modern, multi-role, supersonic fighter in DCS-level realism. This is the holy grail that many people, including myself, are waiting for, somewhat patiently...

 

What's missing in your definition of multi-role? Just self-designated precision A2G weapons? A2G radar?

[ckelly14]

Are LGB's working in this module?

 

 

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[gospadin]

Are LGB's working in this module?

 

 

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Not yet, but it's a bug. They will be supported, using external designation.

[ckelly14]

Not yet, but it's a bug. They will be supported, using external designation.

 

I would happy with either self designated LGB's or ground radar, or both.

 

I'm pretty easy going. The only thing I require is a Falcon 4 clone with clickable cockpit, air and ground radar, JDAM's, and a dynamic campaign, all wrapped up in super high fidelity 3D graphics!

 

:smilewink:

[mattebubben]

Slightly.:megalol::megalol:

 

Good one. Really :thumbup:

 

 

the RDM+ is not THAT much worse then the RDI radar.

 

And it can still use the 530D.

 

The look down / shoot down range of the RDI is much greater but against an open sky the RDM+ can still spot targets at 100km

(compared to 120 of the RDI)

 

But since you probably want to be flying at a low altitude especially in MP any targets are likley to have the sky as a backround so the range differance wont be to great.

 

And the RDM still have 40km+ reliable lock against targets in look down / shoot down and while thats not as great as the 90km in look down shoot down of the RDI thats still beyond the max range of the Super 530.

 

but again flying low the differance is not as big.

 

And i would gladly make that sacrifice if that means i have a Targeting pod and can Laze for laser guided munitions / carry sead weapons.

[jojo]

Please, what is your source for RDM look down/ shoot down range ?

[openfalcon68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_Doppler_Multifunction

 

 

Please, what is your source for RDM look down/ shoot down range ?

[openfalcon68]

Give me Litening or Atlis to self lase the LGBs and make me happy.

 

Not sure how much programming effort is required for an RDM or RDM+ but would be nice to have.

 

As for all the other comments, AFAIK, several upgardes have been carried out to the export variants to give them all sorts of A2A and A2G capabilities.

 

Also which Mirage 2000 variant carried the AS30L ?

 

Manish

Edited December 30, 2015 by openfalcon68

[Ktulu2]

I would love an upgrade, it's through, although I think once radar and missiles are fixed to realistic performances, the plane will be very flyable for low-treath environnement. I think it kind of sucks that every one wants basically another plane from razbam instead of the M2K even though the later just came out...

 

As for adding stuff to DCS, if it is the first plane with a realistic/complete radar, it is already a great achievement.

Personnally, I'd rather have SEAD capacities that were mentioned in other threads. This would really add to the plane's usefullness.

[jojo]

Mirage 2000 D for AS30L.

 

Allegedly some Mirage 2000E but never saw any picture.

 

Guys, we have been talking about this for months. Right you're given the Mirage 2000 C RDI.

 

That's what it is and many work left.

[nomdeplume]

I always find these threads very weird. If they wanted to (and could) make a 2000E or -D or -5 or something else, then that's what they would've made...