New Player Help

[buzzstatus]

Hi. If I buy Flaming Cliff-3, do I get all the planes for free or do i have to buy all the planes I want to play? Thanks.

[Goldham]

You get the F-15C, Su-27, A-10A, Su-25A, Mig-29A/G/S (SFM), and the Su-33 (SFM)

[winchesterdelta1]

Come fly with us pubbies on the 104th server... Or off course all the others like TAW, 51st or the Aerobatics if you want to start really slow. And there are many more servers. MP is the best way to learn quickly. Or look at the MP section. I think some squadrons are looking for some people.

[tovivan]

If you're a beginner go on 104 only if you fly American planes, otherwise don't even bother. You'll get little to no help if you fly Russian fighters plus your only role will be as cannon fodder and bettering kill ratio for the 104 members. Aerobatics is excellent to learn basics of flying and navigation and even light use of radar and systems (shooting is forbidden though).

 

Best way to learn combat is NOT on any public multiplayer server!!!

 

Best way is first of course tutorial missions and then single player missions, followed by campaign. When you know how do air combat go on MP.

[ShuRugal]

your only role will be as cannon fodder and bettering kill ratio for the 104 members.

 

Best way to learn combat is NOT on any public multiplayer server!!!

 

This. Unless you don't mind getting blasted out of the sky on a regular basis, don't jump feet-first into 104th, it's arguably the most brutally aggressive A2A public server. Not at all new-pilot friendly, barely even veteran-friendly.

[Stuge]

And exactly why is it so bad to get shot down a lot? :)

You always get help if you ask for it.

[Sweep]

(...) You always get help if you ask for it.

 

^^Stuge the teacher.^^

 

:worthy: :thumbup:

 

Also, for the rest of you: 104th isn't death for Russian planes - they make you work harder for less result, but its still fun to hop in a Flanker sometimes and fling ETs at people.

 

Then I realize my trade rate is 1:5 and I'm killing my (not-so-)glorious stats... :megalol:

[Stuge]

^^Stuge the teacher.^^

 

:worthy: :thumbup:

 

Also, for the rest of you: 104th isn't death for Russian planes - they make you work harder for less result, but its still fun to hop in a Flanker sometimes and fling ETs at people.

 

Then I realize my trade rate is 1:5 and I'm killing my (not-so-)glorious stats... :megalol:

 

<3 Sweeps

 

Well, for me the Flanker is in its way the ultimate death machine, with a little luck you can go on a rampage. Last one was just 2 days ago when I last flew on 104th, six kills in one flight. Even for a veteran, such rampage is always satisfying :) To have a kill streak like that in Eagle is much more rare.

[tovivan]

Also, for the rest of you: 104th isn't death for Russian planes - they make you work harder for less result, but its still fun to hop in a Flanker sometimes and fling ETs at people.

 

Great idea, Sweep, giving misleading or even bad advice to new players! :cry:

 

Sadly, I've seen goodmeaning advice like this too much in motorcycle community and too many times it gets beginners hurt or even killed. :mad:

 

DCS equivalent of correct progression path for beginners is to start with tutorials, then single missions, then campaign, then private servers with a friend with experience teaching you how to fight against human players and THEN finally public mp!!!

 

If you want to have any sort of success instead of just frustration.

 

The truth is if you jump feet-first into MP without any real practice before hand you will never learn anything, just get frustrated. And maybe even leave the game for good.

 

I flew on 104 a lot, but got tired of being a simple practice dummy for 104 admins and other players who were all in Eagles.

 

Flinging AMRAAMS at people happens much more than ET's and even when you do fling an ET what with Russian missiles being so bugged it's more of a dice chance of getting a hit.

 

And even though you laugh at them and try to discredit and deny all the study, the tracks and bug-reports, Sweep, the problem IS there and it's acute.

 

There was also the problem on 104 of very bad communication and very few people from Red side on TS, lack of Mi-8 missions, only one night mission (after a long time) that was only rarely on, etc.

 

Well, for me the Flanker is in its way the ultimate death machine, with a little luck you can go on a rampage....... To have a kill streak like that in Eagle is much more rare.

 

Uhuh, suuuure. :music_whistling:

 

To new people who don't know him yet: Stuge is a long time DCS player, one of the best Su-27 drivers during my time on 104. He was one of the few pilots who managed to bring the fight to Eagles on somewhat equal terms.

 

But, I will have to contradict him here, I've regularly seen Eagle drivers with equal and mostly much better kill rates than he wrote here.

 

Many of the 104 admins and members are btw. on the top 15 list of the best online DCS players in the world... Of course in Eagles...

 

Thus, 104 is NOT a good place for a new Soviet pilot!

[Sweep]

And even though you laugh at them and try to discredit and deny all the study, the tracks and bug-reports, Sweep, the problem IS there and it's acute.

 

I'm not getting into that in this thread, but I will say this: I'm not "denying" or "discrediting" anyone's work, I appreciate what they're doing with the whole SARH thing, I think its based off feeling and not data though, so it probably won't fly with ED.

 

 

Great idea, Sweep, giving misleading or even bad advice to new players!

 

I disagree; Go get in a Flanker and get on TS with Stuge or the 51st guys (or anyone else who's good with a Flanker). They'll show you what a properly run Flanker flight can do (hint: it kicks a**).

 

I generally don't fly it because I don't know what's going on around me: Its a mix of how it works and a bit of a skill/lack of training thing. :book:

[Stuge]

 

To new people who don't know him yet: Stuge is a long time DCS player, one of the best Su-27 drivers during my time on 104. He was one of the few pilots who managed to bring the fight to Eagles on somewhat equal terms.

 

But, I will have to contradict him here, I've regularly seen Eagle drivers with equal and mostly much better kill rates than he wrote here.

 

There is no contradiction here :)

 

Better average kill rate with Eagle? Sure!

 

Is Eagle easier for beginners? Most definitely!

 

Is the Flanker the ultimate plane to mix it up in the hills? OH YEAH! :D When things get heated, Eagle runs out of fuel faster(unless pilot keeps the tanks), runs out of missiles faster, and has in my opinion actually worse SA once the situation is 100% tumbleweed and everyone's merged with each other.

[Sweep]

Yeah, nothing beats vertical scan in the Flanker down low...R-73s outta nowhere FTW! :D

 

Too bad the F-15 doesn't have supersearch mode...That'd be a fun fight!

[pr1malr8ge]

I dunno flankers can keep those mountains.. I've watched err chased a few of them into the sides of those things.. Me, if I'm not in anything but a >90% chance of a kill I will break off extend gain alt and look down into those mountains.. If I can't get a kill O well I will live, but the mountain flier might be a crater or make it home.

[winchesterdelta1]

If you're a beginner go on 104 only if you fly American planes, otherwise don't even bother. You'll get little to no help if you fly Russian fighters plus your only role will be as cannon fodder and bettering kill ratio for the 104 members. Aerobatics is excellent to learn basics of flying and navigation and even light use of radar and systems (shooting is forbidden though).

 

Best way to learn combat is NOT on any public multiplayer server!!!

 

Best way is first of course tutorial missions and then single player missions, followed by campaign. When you know how do air combat go on MP.

 

Little to no help...???? I am on TS there on a daily basis. And most of the time people are explaining SU-27 to new people or any other plane. Roofies and others even ask you to join them in another channel so they can learn you quietly. Also for the last month i have been on Red channel with more than 12 people every time. Maybe you should do more your best to get people on Team Speak and to get them to chat.. Cause i have really good team play there almost every day. Maybe be more pro-active when you are in TS and not just sit there and hope others are going to step up and entertain your day. Cause a lot of people think that just being on TS is enough.

But i do agree that it might not be the best server to start practicing on. But that is no reason to spread BS.

Edited February 8, 2016 by winchesterdelta1

[Oceandar]

Nah, 104 isn't that brutal to newbies. In MP world I'm actually newbie. I fly alone in Su-27, get low and sneaky I actually managed to land few ETs on unlucky Eagles. Just remember the Su-27 nickname "Flanker" you just need to flank them. I got shot down more often in Eagle than in Flanker, so it just matter of training and reading the manual.

 

Good luck

 

Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

[winchesterdelta1]

.....

 

And actually i purposefully joined the red team for a entire month and actively triggered them to talk a bit more and increase team work instead of complaining on the forums that everything is not going as i like. And behold.. it worked. People just needed a little push.

But i have to be fair.. I'm not the right person to do this. I'm straight to the point and can sound a little rude if i tell you to do this and that. Probably somebody that knows how to communicate better and with more knowledge than me should step up. You up for that task? If it works out you will have a blast. Not only you but the other 10 on TS as well. And the enemy will love it as well.

[JINX_1391]

LOL this thread...OP was:

 

Hi. If I buy Flaming Cliff-3, do I get all the planes for free or do i have to buy all the planes I want to play? Thanks.

 

Now raging MP server debate. I love the interwebs :thumbup: