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[313_Nevo]

sry for late reply debolestis. I have revisited my DIY approach. I think I will try that and if it will not work out well I will get back to you. thx for now anyway. I appreciate your technical interest in the small details. :thumbup:

[rel4y]

Hey Debolestis!

Would you be so kind to give me a pin layout (dimensions) of the 4 pin PS3 Thumbstick please? I have looked everywhere but cant find any datasheet or breakout schematic and even if it was supposedly built by ALPS there is no 4 pin version in their portfolio. I have already asked Sokol, but he doesnt know where to find this as well. Id appreciate the help!

[paulu013]

PIN 1: POLE (not needed)

PIN 2: POLE

PIN 3: VCC

PIN 4: GND

 

Pins 2-4 are the ones you need.

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by paulu013
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[debolestis]

Here is what I used

 

 

There are 2 poles for each axis, but don't use them at the same time because they are offset to each other 180 degrees and negate each other. Use one or another.

[rel4y]

No no electrically it's clear, I need the pin distances and dimensions. So where the holes need to be in the PCB and how large they should be.

[debolestis]

For pots it is 2mm spacing I think, and switch is 2,54. I dont kniw the rest, I'll put it in scanner and make something for you soon

[rel4y]

Thats awesome, thank you! :thumbup:

[paulu013]

Here is what I used

 

 

There are 2 poles for each axis, but don't use them at the same time because they are offset to each other 180 degrees and negate each other. Use one or another.

Any chance you could design a mount for this switch that will fit as a replacement for the slew control in the Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog?

[debolestis]

That is my next project, give me a week or two.

[rel4y]

I combined the amplifier circuit you made with an MCP3202 and uploaded it to OSH Park. Are the values still up to date? I am going to order it tomorrow and I have the 4 pin PS3 sticks on order as well. The plan is using it on an MMJoy modded gameport CH Pro Throttle, as it is lacking the USB versions ministick.

 

 

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/ZGK66vsm

 

Edited June 1, 2018 by rel4y

[debolestis]

Somebody already made PCB for Alps thumbstick.

 

 

Maybe whole amplifier could be fitted on PCB this size with SMD components.

[rel4y]

Maybe whole amplifier could be fitted on PCB this size with SMD components.

 

Well that was the plan. But without the dimensions of the pins it is hard to make a design. So I ended up going another route.

 

After I was done I found a lay6 file on the russian IL2 forum which includes a pinout for the thumbstick as well. Sokol has linked it somewhere.

[debolestis]

You can download this one, it is Eagle cad format. You can take dimensions easily from file.

[Sokol1_br]

Point to consider: An benefit of keep the amplification circuit in sepparared PCB is easy allow replace the mini-stick when this worm out, because un-solder the mini-stick of PCB may damage the amplification circuit if both are in the same PCB, when done by not skilled persons. :)

 

Without PCB under mini-stick is just matter of un-solder/solder wires on pins.

 

Example: 3D support for mini-stick 'PS3' (the maker don't specific the model) https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2900369

Edited May 8, 2018 by Sokol1_br

[debolestis]

Point to consider: An benefit of keep the amplification circuit in sepparared PCB is easy allow replace the mini-stick when this worm out, because un-solder the mini-stick of PCB may damage the amplification circuit if both are in the same PCB, when done by not skilled persons. :)

 

Without PCB under mini-stick is just matter of un-solder/solder wires on pins.

 

Example: 3D support for mini-stick 'PS3' (the maker don't specific the model) https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2900369

 

I’ll make PCB as optional, I like to work with PCBs, but it is not necessary.

 

I’ll make a version of holder for PS3 hall sensor version only. Amplifier PCB is necessary, I’ll try to make it as small as possible.

[Sokol1_br]

I’ll make a version of holder for PS3 hall sensor version only. Amplifier PCB is necessary,

 

This amplifier has analog output or I2C (need for Warhog)?

[debolestis]

This amplifier has analog output or I2C (need for Warhog)?

 

It has analog output, but amplifier will make it same as "normal" thumbstick with 3 pins.

[98abaile]

Example: 3D support for mini-stick 'PS3' (the maker don't specific the model) https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2900369

They were generic replacements from amazon.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OEF8JJQ/

[debolestis]

They were generic replacements from amazon.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OEF8JJQ/

 

Is this one with hall sensors or pots?

I use 4 pin version because it is with halls, it is also a bit bigger then other thumbsticks. My plan is to make a mount and amplifier, that is enough for me because my warthog will work on mmjoy2.

[debolestis]

Recently I have access to 3D printer. A friend of mine bough Prusa 3D printer. Now I can print stuff from time to time. It is not like SLS printers from Shapeways but quality is really good if you prepare your models in right way. I was surprised by strength of PLA, It is not crap at all.

 

This is good because now I can test stuff before I send them to my Shapeways store. One thing that I wanted to print are grip holders, since I have a few of them and they take a lot of space.

 

I designed two versions.

 

 

 

 

Here is what transparent PLA models look like. They are 40% density, so not full like Shapeways. Prusa software does that automatically, you just have to choose density percentage. Photos are not the best but that can be seen, printer makes something like bee hive pattern.

 

 

Threads were perfect, no problems with them at all.

 

 

Here it is with my Warthog grip. It will work with T-50 grip and with any grip that warthog mounting style.

 

It works with original Warthog nut, Gardena nut and my printed Locking nuts.

 

 

Everything can be found HERE.

Edited May 11, 2018 by debolestis

[Sokol1_br]

Is this one with hall sensors or pots?

 

This model linked in Amazon is with pot (3 pins connections), since their 3D support allow easy remove/fit the mini-stick, will be easy replace when pot worm out.

[98abaile]

Is this one with hall sensors or pots?

I use 4 pin version because it is with halls, it is also a bit bigger then other thumbsticks. My plan is to make a mount and amplifier, that is enough for me because my warthog will work on mmjoy2.

The one with the pots. I can make a remix for the one with the halls if you can tell me the measurements (body width (both X and Y), body depth, hall width and depth and the width of the push button, metric please), but I won't be able to do any test fitting.

Edited May 11, 2018 by 98abaile

[BlacleyCole]

Can you print the collective switch boxes for the huey? If so I’d be interested in them. I don’t have any drawings or dimensions i just have seen photos like must of the collective

[debolestis]

Huey collective looks simple but I need some measurmets, there must be something somewhere on the internet. I have a few original hat switches for huey.

[BlacleyCole]

All I need is boxes that will allow for the switch placement including the hat and if Iirc that’s a switch 90 out in each direction from the hat for the main box and two switches on the extended box in line with the others but I’ll have to check and I may use mini toggles since that’s what I’m use to. They throw without disrupting the collective so draw something up off the photos close is good enough for sim government work after looking ithe switches in the extended box are on the outer edge of the hat switch and a push button on the rear right corner and the main box is angled maybe enlarge the photo to 1:1 size would give you enough info to design everything and I think the item between the two fwd switches is a peanut lamp that I will not be adding

Edited May 12, 2018 by BlacleyCole