Display sizes for Simming in General

[Headwarp]

It did downscale for the 27" monitor, but the result of 2 displays width made the entire cockpit of whatever plane I was flying seem much much larger and more realistic. It spread the cockpit evenly (aside from side being smaller) across both screens resulting in huge cockpit.

 

TL:DR - Probably wasted money on a 980ti with pascal around the corner. I might see how my 680 4gb handles dcs with a now overclocked 2500k that was being throttled down severely before putting a new heatsink,fan, and thermal grease. The debate is in my mind on whether to return it if my 6804gb is still cuttting it - or just wait and get another 980ti when pascal is out. *edit Just checked. Lmao - non refundable ;\. Ah well. It's going to be great with 3 monitors.

 

So funny story.. I thought my gtx 6804gb was struggling with the game on anything above low settings.. so I ordered a 980Ti, with the intent of going multi monitor or a nice big 4k tv.

 

While I was waiting for it to ship... I got a hankering to install evga e-leet. My CPU was being throttled to 1.6ghz and was sitting around 70-75C.. so, today as I'm waiting for my 980ti to show up I go and buy a new heatsink/fan and as I'm installing it my new card shows up. use Arctic silver 5, and bam cpu showing 30-35C, so I go and OC it to 4.5ghz (never overclocked in my life) and I'm sitting here with a stable 4.5ghz 2500k and never going above 57C while gaming, and a 980ti.

 

 

I really don't feel like putting the 680 back in to see how it performs with my cpu not being throttled.... but I'm running on high settings with water @ medium and civ traffic @ low and getting around 200 fps flying towards water, and it drops to 60 fps at most looking at a battlefield full of ground vehicles, but tends to stay between 90-120 fps on average.

 

I'm debating on putting the 680 back in and seeing how it does... since my cpu isn't throttling anymore and is quite a bit faster than I've ever had it before.. but at the same time 980ti might drop in price when pascal hits and I can grab a second one as I figure out what kind of display setup i want to use. Frankly if the 1080 is still using gddr5 I'm not sure it's going to be a huge deal to stick with the 980ti or add a second one when they drop in price.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Headwarp

[Brewnix]

But you're actually getting 1920x1080 out of the vga port on that Westinghouse? That's worth looking into.

 

Hey Headwarp so just a side note I have hooked up the 3 westinghouse's 1 via dvi port with vga adapter and the other 2 are plugged in to 2 displayports to vga cords. the Tv them selves only have VGA ports.The funny thing is I have a old vizio 37" with a vga port in the back. I used to run that tv with a custom rez thru Nvdia's control panel 2560x1440. which was awesome for the games and im not quite sure how it worked 1080p timings I guess. cause I can't get these Westinghouse's to go there at all it comes up setting not supported. I think the older TV's controller boards were not sensored so to say. there was a post in the ATAG IL2 CLod forums a guy posted about the custom rez's. Technically when I look at the specs of my card on Geforce webpage the highest res over the analog VGA port for the GTX970 is 2048x1536. Which I thought was interesting.

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications

[313_Nevo]

My luck finally got tired and show a smile on me :)

 

switched from PHILIPS 190S to SAMSUNG UE40A656

from 1280x1024x75Hz to 1920x1080x60Hz over VGA or HDMI. over HDMI it has bigger input lag (you see that vertically there is not so much gain, but pixels are much bigger and that also counts).

 

I realized that the problem in DCS with visibility of other aircrafts is not tied to the resolution. at least thats my observation.

On particular distances I am loosing lot of graphical information, like aicraft wing is not visible, its just not drawn. Looks like it is hidden between the LCD grid rows/columns.

This is all no AA and no AF settings.

 

Later today I will post picture of the missing graphical info in regards to aircrafts.

[Headwarp]

My luck finally got tired and show a smile on me :)

 

switched from PHILIPS 190S to SAMSUNG UE40A656

from 1280x1024x75Hz to 1920x1080x60Hz over VGA or HDMI. over HDMI it has bigger input lag (you see that vertically there is not so much gain, but pixels are much bigger and that also counts).

 

I realized that the problem in DCS with visibility of other aircrafts is not tied to the resolution. at least thats my observation.

On particular distances I am loosing lot of graphical information, like aicraft wing is not visible, its just not drawn. Looks like it is hidden between the LCD grid rows/columns.

This is all no AA and no AF settings.

 

Later today I will post picture of the missing graphical info in regards to aircrafts.

 

I get it. I've been doing a lot of flying lately and falling in love with DCS. I have been flying a lot of FC3 su-27/f-15c and at a distance jets just look like a large blur with model enlargement.

 

Had to RMA my 980ti :( 680 4gb is still rocking though. playing on the same settings, hit 40 fps once around a large area of tree's near a mountain but other than that 70-110 fps @1080p. Kind of wish I had caught my cpu being throttled before buying a new video card but at the same time.. I guess I have the option of higher resolutions now without much worry and a multimonitor setup. Later this year I'm probably going to get my display setup the way I want with and be done with it. I'm not even sure how I've managed to spend as much money as I have lol. My Crosswinds should be done this month. I"m pegged. I'm going to settle for using labels for now.

[313_Nevo]

Definitely there is some model enlargement in DCS and the setup vary from server to server (I dont play much offline).

 

Here is the picture of missing actually not wing but the vertical and horizontal stabs. It is at the same distance and just slightly different angle. Orig res. was 1920x1080, no AA, no AF. I dont know what is the cause of this, and also dont know if this is common for all other games, but it is obvious that this can worsen the visibility of other aircrafts.

The question is also, how to reduce this effect? AA? AF? both? anything else?

 

PS: I dont care about the FPS :) if my eyes are OK with what they see then I am fine and no FPS counter can change that ;)

Edited March 3, 2016 by 313_Nevo

[Headwarp]

Definitely there is some model enlargement in DCS and the setup vary from server to server (I dont play much offline).

 

Here is the picture of missing actually not wing but the vertical and horizontal stabs. It is at the same distance and just slightly different angle. Orig res. was 1920x1080, no AA, no AF. I dont know what is the cause of this, and also dont know if this is common for all other games, but it is obvious that this can worsen the visibility of other aircrafts.

The question is also, how to reduce this effect? AA? AF? both? anything else?

 

PS: I dont care about the FPS :) if my eyes are OK with what they see then I am fine and no FPS counter can change that ;)

 

Even zoomed in I can't make them that large. By the time they are close enough to see that much detail on my screen they're fully visible and not blurry, and hurling missles for me to dodge.

 

I was just stating my FPS so people could laugh at me for buying a new graphics card when my old one is still doing great for my current setup. I do play games where a a smooth framerate makes a difference. In DCS i can live with short dips into the 40's with the 680. But a good 2k or 4k screen might be good for defining ground targets in the near future.. so it's not a total loss.

[313_Nevo]

actually that picture is captured without zoom, just shot from distance. it is then zoomed in picture editing program to better see the missing parts.

when you are looking around from your cockpit without zooming this can be the difference to spot the target or not, imho

Edited March 4, 2016 by 313_Nevo

[FeistyLemur]

I use a 1440p 27 inch monitor right now.

 

When 4k becomes doable, ie when Nviida's hbm2 cards become commonplace, I'm debating the idea of a 43 inch 4k tv as a monitor. But I'm skittish about the whole TV as monitor thing.

[Headwarp]

I use a 1440p 27 inch monitor right now.

 

When 4k becomes doable, ie when Nviida's hbm2 cards become commonplace, I'm debating the idea of a 43 inch 4k tv as a monitor. But I'm skittish about the whole TV as monitor thing.

 

I've read rumors that hbm2 is likely to only be on the new titan with the 1xxx series. But I'd take that with a grain of salt.

[hansangb]

By the time 4K becomes common place, VR will be a better option. The 3D immersion simply cannot be equaled, regardless of monitor size. So keep that as an option.

[Enduro14]

By the time 4K becomes common place, VR will be a better option. The 3D immersion simply cannot be equaled, regardless of monitor size. So keep that as an option.

 

Fact!

[313_Nevo]

by the time when you will be buying VR we will be buying your big screens :thumbup:

[wormeaten]

Here is great example how actually 34" 21/9 screen is and how immersive too.

This is actually first video I see where you can get realistic picture about it.

 

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You need to have in mind that some part of the monitor is out of the picture because this video is 16/9.

[hansangb]

I'm not being argumentative, but I do want to point out that there is *no* immersion. It looks great, it looks awesome, in fact. But there is no immersion. When he's panning around, it's just that. There is no sense of direction, speed, angle. All victims of using a 2D monitor. In VR, you actually "feel" the speed, AoA etc.

 

But it is a cool video, for sure.

[wormeaten]

I'm not being argumentative, but I do want to point out that there is *no* immersion. It looks great, it looks awesome, in fact. But there is no immersion. When he's panning around, it's just that. There is no sense of direction, speed, angle. All victims of using a 2D monitor. In VR, you actually "feel" the speed, AoA etc.

 

But it is a cool video, for sure.

 

VR and Monitors can't be compared, period.

This topic is for monitor sizes not VR.

 

Point is some people don't like VR because they more value crispiness, clarity and sharpens of picture than immersion and 3D which is only advantage for VR.

One more disadvantage and in my opinion biggest one for competitive PvP flying in DCS is you can't spot air or ground targets that easy like on monitor so pilots who using monitor have huge advantage over VR pilots in direct conflict, not to mention reading instruments etc.

Most VR pilots have to turn on unrealistic markers for objects and in that moment killing all realism and immersion advantage. If you connect to DCS server which have it turned off, and this is huge majority of the servers, you are just clay pigeon.

VR is still not proven in practice and real usage. Some 3D demos are made to point out all advantages and hide disadvantages so even DCS could not to be evaluated true performance in such demos.

 

Comparative you made is just disinformation like I will compare VR vs monitor using work in Photoshop.

 

If you are comparing VR and Monitor than do all aspects because any partial evaluation like you did will just give wrong impression and could mislead someone who are planing some not small investment.

 

I'm not favoring anything, VR or Monitors all have its own pro's and con's and on those who want to chose it is on them to decide based on their personal preferences and needs.

[SinusoidDelta]

I'm not being argumentative, but I do want to point out that there is *no* immersion. It looks great, it looks awesome, in fact. But there is no immersion. When he's panning around, it's just that. There is no sense of direction, speed, angle. All victims of using a 2D monitor. In VR, you actually "feel" the speed, AoA etc.

 

But it is a cool video, for sure.

 

IMHO a curved 34" 21:9 does give a sense of immersion. The monitor is curved in 3 dimensions. Until VR tech offers an optimal FOV and a solution for not being able to see my own hands, I prefer the monitor.

[313_Nevo]

I was playing DCS in 1024x768 for some time, is the VR worse than that? :music_whistling:

 

Regarding the video, I just see a guy in front of big screen. I mean is hard to say how immersive it is just from video. what is the type of the monitor anyway?

[FeistyLemur]

That video is interesting. I was considering a 34 inch ultrawide as well, Now I'm kind of reconsidering it again. Maybe after pascal comes out and technology marches forward just a bit more. I was really liking the look of the ROG one but it still isn't out yet that I know of. When it comes out it might be too tempting.

 

I too like a crisp high res monitor and VR doesn't interest me much in the current generation of gear.

Edited March 12, 2016 by FeistyLemur

[yipster]

This is my current setup:

 

 

I'm using a Samsung 34" curved S34E790 and I believe it is easier to use than multiple screens as your head movement required is actually reduced. Viewing angle is more comfortable in my opinion.

[wormeaten]

I was playing DCS in 1024x768 for some time, is the VR worse than that? :music_whistling:

 

Regarding the video, I just see a guy in front of big screen. I mean is hard to say how immersive it is just from video. what is the type of the monitor anyway?

 

Point is to be able comparing screen size with human size so you could get realistic sense of 34" UW monitor size comparing it with some real world object, in this case it was human body.

 

That video is interesting. I was considering a 34 inch ultrawide as well, Now I'm kind of reconsidering it again. Maybe after pascal comes out and technology marches forward just a bit more. I was really liking the look of the ROG one but it still isn't out yet that I know of. When it comes out it might be too tempting.

 

I too like a crisp high res monitor and VR doesn't interest me much in the current generation of gear.

 

For your information in this video resolution is 3440 x 1440 and it is run by R9-380 graphic card. That means if you are Nvidia lover GTX 970 (GTX 680 TI, GTX 780) will be good for this resolution. No need for Pascal.

Edited March 13, 2016 by wormeaten