WARTHOG and TIR ?

[Fish]

Hi all,

Warthog works fine with DCS A10C, without Target (after configuring the mini mouse and POV switches). However i need to have a TIR centering button on the stick or throttle

 

Can this be done without using a target profile.

 

 

And if not, can someone Please recommend a lua and Target profile set, for the A10-C sim only.

 

Cheers

[Headwarp]

You should be able to change the centering button in the TIR software. I would "Copy current profile" from default or whatever you're using and then change the center/precision/pause buttons to whatever you wish.

 

I was able to map this to joystick buttons as well as mouse/keyboard.

[Sokol1_br]

I dont understand why is need software (Target or whatever) to make joy buttons press keys if the option to set this joy buttons to press the commands directly is available:

 

screenshot software

 

:confused:

 

"Key" in TrackIR software can be keys, mouse click, joystick buttons. :thumbup:

[dburne]

Yep just change in the TIR software, select your centering and assign whatever button you want to that by pressing it.

 

I have both centering and pause mapped directly to a couple buttons on my Warthog throttle. Very easy.

[Fish]

Thanks guys and that all works fine.

But since these are not 'shifted' buttons, they are going to replace valid 'HOTAS' functions? No? (except for a radio button maybe).

Edited February 10, 2016 by Fish

[dburne]

Thanks guys and that all works fine.

But since these are not 'shifted' buttons, they are going to replace valid 'HOTAS' functions? No? (except for a radio button maybe).

 

Yes correct, if you assign the button directly in the TIR software.

 

I used a couple buttons on my throttle that I could spare, no biggie.

 

Likewise, if you don't want to spare any, you can just change the key assignment to a couple of keys that are not used for the sim you are flying, if you don't mind pressing keys rather than joystick buttons. I do recommend getting those commands off the default F keys that TIR uses.

Edited February 10, 2016 by dburne

[Flamin_Squirrel]

The radio hat has two unused functions: up, and pressed in.

[Vlerkies]

I use mine with the throttle radio up button direct, no issues, no need for software.

[Shez]

Never found a time where I needed to recenter while I can't take my hand off the throttle. I use an extra button on my mouse.

[Fish]

Thanks for all replies.

 

I constantly re-center, so its got to be on the hotas for me. been doing it that way for too long now....

 

I'll give the spare radio buttons a go. Otherwise i'll do a new, or modify someone elses target profile to allow for shifted keys, as i have on my cougar.

 

If anyone has a profile, please post here, or PM me cheers.

[Headwarp]

The easiest thing to do? Create a deadzone on yaw/pitch around the center. It won't completely stop you from hitting the recenter button, but you won't hit it near as much.

 

It's pretty easy to do, from the starting pip in the center of your curve line..grab the first two pips on either of side if it..make sure they're as low as possible and make them about 3/4th of a centimeter wide, then let those start to go into the curves that actually cause movement.

 

My deadzone is small enough that it doesn't bother me the slight bit of headmovment required to get track IR moving.

[Fish]

The easiest thing to do? Create a deadzone on yaw/pitch around the center. It won't completely stop you from hitting the recenter button, but you won't hit it near as much.

 

It's pretty easy to do, from the starting pip in the center of your curve line..grab the first two pips on either of side if it..make sure they're as low as possible and make them about 3/4th of a centimeter wide, then let those start to go into the curves that actually cause movement.

 

My deadzone is small enough that it doesn't bother me the slight bit of headmovment required to get track IR moving.

 

Ha,

Moved away from a deadzone many years ago, and never looked back. So 'unnatural'..

 

[ame]

[/ame]

 

Any how.

Spare radio buttons working for me. Really like the fact that i don't have to fire up target to play.......

[Headwarp]

What's unnatural is trying to stare down the sight of your crosshair in a game like RoF and having trouble keeping it centered because the slightest little motion is dectected in TrackIR.. I've seen some people solve this buy "turning off" trackIR when they want to stay centered, but that to me is unnatural.

 

You can hardly notice the deadzone I set in the TrackIR software and it makes it 100x easier to keep your head centered in cockpit without hitting a button to turn TrackIR off. You don't need to do this? Cool..

 

But.. a lot of us have been mashing our center button more than any other button in the game.. and creating a small deadzone greatly reduces that need. Still good to have a center button handy for when you adjust positions but frankly, adding the smallest possible deadzone I could to TrackIR made a major improvement for me for keeping centered.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Headwarp

[Sporg]

Well, I fly without deadzone on my TrackIR too.

 

And I barely ever have to re-center, I set it up thoroughly before I start and then it works from there.

 

Feels very natural like this.

 

But I also have a fixated chair while flying, otherwise it would probably not be possible.

 

Headwarp, maybe you have too sensitive curves/setup on your TrackIR?

[Headwarp]

*edit* apologetically I somehow got a little defensive over my opinion.. I'm hoping nobody caught that lol@me.. sorry.

 

Just reiterating my main point - EASIEST method imo of staying on center is creating a deadzone.

 

Owned TrackIR for 3 years, never really touched the curves myself. LIked that it worked decent out of the box. I didn't bother creating a deadzone until playing RoF with it's oldschool gunsight system on the prop plane in the training campaign that you have to keep lined up.

 

Didn't spend more than 20-30 seconds creating deadzones that are barely noticable if at all.. and keep me centered when I put my head in center position. I might reduce the speed a bit, but not much as it also increases how far i have to turn my head to look behind me if I lower it too much.

 

This has been working fine with me.. and maybe could feel a little bit "more natural" adjusting curves.. but I'd prob keep the small hardly noticable deadzone. And I'd recommend for anybody like myself who would rather plug it in and game than spend much time editing curves.

 

All the best to you guys and all the respect in the world. But I did say the easiest :P If it doesn't apply to you, it applies to some other noob like me who reads this thread.

Edited February 12, 2016 by Headwarp

[Fish]

.........I'm hoping nobody caught that lol@me.........

 

Diden't notice a thing! :)

 

Glad to have your input.

[mondaysoff]

Hi all,

Warthog works fine with DCS A10C, without Target (after configuring the mini mouse and POV switches). However i need to have a TIR centering button on the stick or throttle

 

Can this be done without using a target profile.

 

 

And if not, can someone Please recommend a lua and Target profile set, for the A10-C sim only.

 

Cheers

 

Hi Fish,

 

I have been using CubPilot's method for a long time http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=87543 it only uses one button on the HOTAS together with a the pinky as a modifier.

 

I use this for all my aircraft, mainly hell's.

 

Hope this helps.

 

BTW I used your video to setup my TIR when I first got it, saved me a lot of time, thx.

[Fish]

......I have been using CubPilot's method for a long time

 

Cheers for that. Hadn't even thought about VoiceAttack, and TS keys yet......

 

Target profile is looking 'less' unattractive, and i've put my foot in the water already with and Elite Dangerous profile.

 

UPDATE,

Got CubPilots method working for the Voice attack PTT key as F14, and TIR center and pause using F15 & F16, all working from the spare radio buttons, Throttle Btn2 & btn3. Also got the modifier option for additional controls. Also a bat file to run the autokey profile, TIR, voice attack with the correct profile, and the DCS world Alpha. So far so good. Does what i need. So everything fires up with a single click. Very neat.

 

Thanks Polaris & CubPilot, and links in this thread.

 

Batch File

 

@echo off
REM TIR.exe assigns F15, F16 keys to the Warthog throttle, Mic Switch, BTN2.
start C:\Users\Gerry\Documents\Warthog\DCS\Autohotkey\Software\Compiler\TIR.exe
timeout /T 1 /nobreak
start "" "C:\Program Files (x86)\NaturalPoint\TrackIR5\TrackIR5.exe"
timeout /T 2 /nobreak
start "" "C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe" -profile "DCS Fish"
timeout /T 3 /nobreak
start "" "E:\DCS World OpenAlpha\bin\DCS_updater.exe"
exit

 

AutoHotkey AHK file.

 

 
#NoEnv  ; Recommended for performance and compatibility with future AutoHotkey releases.
SendMode Input  ; Recommended for new scripts due to its superior speed and reliability.
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir%  ; Ensures a consistent starting directory.
Process, Priority, , High

1Joy2::         ; y Joy x , y= controller ID number in windows, x= joy button number
KeyWait, 1Joy2 ; Wait for 2Joy4 to be releasd
 x := A_TimeSinceThisHotkey ; Just assigning x here, for shorter "if's"
 If (x < 500) ; If hotkey was held for less than 0.50 seconds, 500 ms
    Send {F15} ; Send the key F15
    Else if (x < 5000) ; If hotkey was held for more than 0.50 seconds, 500 ms & less than 5000 ms
    Send {F16} ; Send the key F16     
    return
return

1Joy3::                          ; y Joy x , y= controller ID number in windows, x= joy button number
Send, {F14 down}                 ; Sends a press to application
SetTimer, WaitForButtonUp3, 10
return

WaitForButtonUp3:
if GetKeyState("1Joy3")          ; The button is still down, so keep waiting
return
; Otherwise the button has been released
Send, {F14 up}
SetTimer, WaitForButtonUp3, off
return

Edited February 14, 2016 by Fish