Harnis Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 So I've been wondering, is there anyone who knows how to mod chaff and flares? ED has made big improvements to the flares and they look pretty realistic now, but the chaff still looks the same as always. How does chaff look in real life when a jet dispenses it? And how does the DCS effect compare?
razo+r Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 well, they eddited the chaff too, now i nearly can't see it anymore chaff irl? i'd think you won't see it at all since the pilot should focus on situation and wouldn't see the chaff pop out with certain planes
=DECOY= Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 V-22 Osprey Chaff/Flare Test [ame] [/ame] cant see the chaff release just the initial puff, i think you might struggle to find a actual clip of the release. Water cooled i9-9900K | Maximus Code XI MB | RTX3090 | 64GB | HP Reverb G2
Harnis Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 well, they eddited the chaff too, now i nearly can't see it anymore chaff irl? i'd think you won't see it at all since the pilot should focus on situation and wouldn't see the chaff pop out with certain planes I'm not sure. I would imagine it would be hard to see anyways. But I always pictured it as a big fluttery cloud of tiny metal specks, rather than a kinda static-looking 2d-looking tiny ball of grey things. Would be nice to see some more animation to it. I also can't seem to find any videos of a jet dropping chaff.
Harnis Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 V-22 Osprey Chaff/Flare Test cant see the chaff release just the initial puff, i think you might struggle to find a actual clip of the release. it looks like maybe at around 20s, before the flares come out, you can see grey-whitish puffs coming out the back of the plane. Is that the chaff?
=DECOY= Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I think so. as In the explosive release. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Water cooled i9-9900K | Maximus Code XI MB | RTX3090 | 64GB | HP Reverb G2
fitness88 Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 You can use the chaff from earlier releases...Lockon, FC 1. I know I enhanced the sound for both chaff and flares, made them louder and more distinguishable from each other.
BravoFoxTrt Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 When I was on Active Duty, I worked in the 555TH and 550TH TFTS. Back then the Pilots would put a few boxes of Caff under the Air Break, so when he needed to evade a Radar Missile he would simply raise the Air Break to let the Chaff release into the sky directly behind him. Now they have canisters of Chaff and Flares programmable for release. The Chaff is very hard to see as it consist of perforated aluminum sections to stay in a tight pattern to look like an Aircraft Blip on the SAM Radar. MSI R9 280X 6GB x2 Crossfire /ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 Mobo/AMD FX 4170 Bulldozer 4core CPU/RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB/ Corsair RM 1000WATT PSU/Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit/ X52 & CH Pedals/ MSI DS502 GAMING Headset
strikeeagle Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 When I was on Active Duty, I worked in the 555TH and 550TH TFTS. Back then the Pilots would put a few boxes of Caff under the Air Break, so when he needed to evade a Radar Missile he would simply raise the Air Break to let the Chaff release into the sky directly behind him. Now they have canisters of Chaff and Flares programmable for release. The Chaff is very hard to see as it consist of perforated aluminum sections to stay in a tight pattern to look like an Aircraft Blip on the SAM Radar. You're dating yourself :lol: Chaff is cut into very fine strips of different length about the thickness of a hair follicle. It's actually thin enough to get into your skin pours. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
BravoFoxTrt Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 You're dating yourself Chaff is cut into very fine strips of different length about the thickness of a hair follicle. It's actually thin enough to get into your skin pours. Yes you are right, I was talking about F-15A&B's and yes I am an old Air Force Fart, 18 years worth. A few air frames as well. BTW the Chaff we had back then was much larger in its appearance. :) MSI R9 280X 6GB x2 Crossfire /ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 Mobo/AMD FX 4170 Bulldozer 4core CPU/RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB/ Corsair RM 1000WATT PSU/Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit/ X52 & CH Pedals/ MSI DS502 GAMING Headset
strikeeagle Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 Yes you are right, I was talking about F-15A&B's and yes I am an old Air Force Fart, 18 years worth. A few air frames as well. BTW the Chaff we had back then was much larger in its appearance. :) My old squadron at SJ had the Nickel kill board in the ready room since it was the 555/550 when moved to SJ. It was one of the coolest things I have ever seen. I don't know if it was shipped of to AV to be w/the 16's or not. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
BravoFoxTrt Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 Dude, I worked on our Nickel Kill Board to improve the looks and the age of it. When I was in the Nickel, we trained the Saudie's and Japanese Pilots to fly the Eagle. I my self got 5 rides in the F-15 B & D, I got to fly her for 45 minutes from Canada to Luke AFB. BTW I was in Italy when Scott O'Grady got sot down, he was in the Nickel as well. We sent 2 A-10's to cover his rescue. I was in the 47TFS back then. MSI R9 280X 6GB x2 Crossfire /ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 Mobo/AMD FX 4170 Bulldozer 4core CPU/RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB/ Corsair RM 1000WATT PSU/Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit/ X52 & CH Pedals/ MSI DS502 GAMING Headset
NRG-Vampire Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) here are some chaff clouds guys (do not confuse with the flare trails) the BEST visible chaffs are on the MH60071 pic and on the longbow-apache pic (flares @ left and right but in the middle, below the chopper those are all chaff clouds) Edited February 21, 2016 by NRG-Vampire 1
Harnis Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 The Chaff is very hard to see as it consist of perforated aluminum sections to stay in a tight pattern to look like an Aircraft Blip on the SAM Radar. Chaff is cut into very fine strips of different length about the thickness of a hair follicle. It's actually thin enough to get into your skin pours. So it could be cool if it was possible to have different chaff textures/animations depending on the aircraft.... here are some chaff clouds guys (do not confuse with the flare trails) the BEST visible chaffs are on the MH60071 pic and on the longbow-apache pic (flares @ left and right but in the middle, below the chopper those are all chaff clouds) ah, ok. See, in those kind of pictures I always figured it was all just smoke from the flares. But if that's the case, then the chaff makes a very distinctive whitish whispy cloud. That's nothing like how it looks in the game. Right now in the game, it's a 2D-looking patch of grey clumps in a kind of disk that expand as they leave the aircraft.
strikeeagle Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 Those are flares guys. Rotor down wash is giving that effect. In the V-22 video, you can see puffs of chaff just like the poster said. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
Harnis Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 Those are flares guys. Rotor down wash is giving that effect. In the V-22 video, you can see puffs of chaff just like the poster said. so the chaff is the glittery kinda things in those photos? Is that the chaff reflecting the light from the flares?
strikeeagle Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 so the chaff is the glittery kinda things in those photos? Is that the chaff reflecting the light from the flares? Very highly doubt it. The stuff doesn't just reflect light all that well. It's not "shiny". [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
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