Razbam is there Anyway to make CCRP drops more reliable without using a lazer code??

[tkid]

[ame]

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I love flying cap as you can see but it took me several attempts to land these bombs close to my target which means if I bring 4 GBU's I will missue at least 2:(

 

Razbam can you make the CCRP targeting reticle a little more predicable and accurate when not using a Lazer code. It's hard to find A 10 buddies and or set up a JTAC system in a evolving mission.

 

Great job btw love the plane just wish it was more accurate with CCRP drops.

[JG-1_Vogel]

Why would you use GBU-12's dumb like that? Just pack some Mk82's or a the temporary Mk-20's. I know it's possible, but seems unecessary :).

[tkid]

Yeah I could have chose a load out like that but the result would still be same, the targeting reticle for the bombs are not too accurate.

[baltic_dragon]

I think that is becaause A-G is not the primary use of the M2000C. Still, with some training you can get quite good even with the tools you have now!

[Dingo_Bob]

From what I gather, for both CCIP & CCRP the objective is one pass and haul ass, so instead of trying to pinpoint one bomb at a time you run in carpet the target area and egress the f**k outta there,

maybe 2 passes if you've enough loaded munitions

 

GBU'S (as implied in the name Guided Bomb Unit) are for pintoint and need a lase / gps / ir so call in a budy or JTAC

 

fairly simple, stop trying to use the platform for something it was not primarily intended to do and make do with what we got, which is still quite a lot

Edited March 4, 2016 by Dingo_Bob

[JG-1_Vogel]

From what I gather, for both CCIP & CCRP the objective is one pass and haul ass, so instead of trying to pinpoint one bomb at a time you run in carpet the target area and egress the f**k outta there,

maybe 2 passes if you've enough loaded munitions

 

GBU'S (as implied in the name Guided Bomb Unit) are for pintoint and need a lase / gps / ir so call in a budy or JTAC

 

fairly simple, stop trying to use the platform for something it was not primarily intended to do and make do with what we got, which is still quite a lot

 

This is what I tend to do. I quite like using the Mk-82SE's and just rippled the whole payload at once using the RA mode in a fast low pass over the target. Looks great :).

[MegOhm_SD]

That's how I do it. You the man Lonewolf!

[mattebubben]

And also non guided bombs in general feel a bit weaker then they should be.

 

Both Cluster and HE bombs.

 

But alot of the accuracy problems can be "fixed" by training.

[JG-1_Vogel]

And also non guided bombs in general feel a bit weaker then they should be.

 

Both Cluster and HE bombs.

 

But alot of the accuracy problems can be "fixed" by training.

 

Quite true, I had a Mk-82SE explode less than 10m away from a tank and it didn't kill it. In RL you'd expect the blast shock wave to seriously damage the vehicle. Really wish air burst bombs worked too, would be great for anti-personnel type weapons or against soft targets.

[Cik]

CCRP isn't really accurate enough (at least from anything resembling altitude) that you can expect kills against medium+ armor, and this is true of almost every aircraft that uses anything like it.

 

this is why things were invented like

 

ripple settings

guided bombs

bigger bombs

dropping from a lower altitude

CCIP

 

btw bombs in DCS are really lackluster in terms of strength, so you should install warhead mod which will help at least a little, though in your specific case it may not solve the entire problem. if you are trying to release from over 10,000 feet AGL i'd imagine even the radius / power increase isn't going to compensate for the inherent inaccuracy of level release dumb bombs.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Cik

[JG-1_Vogel]

Mods adjusting warhead strength etc though, as with missile mods aren't they blocked/banned in MP? I like to fly a lot in MP so that would pretty much kill that idea off for me.

[Cik]

it's just a simple file swap (literally one file, warheads.lua)

 

full disclosure i've connected to a server while using the file (though i flew exclusively AA so i wasn't exactly cheating) with no ill effects that i saw.

 

that was blue flag though, so maybe they are more permissive, who knows.

 

in any case replacing the default values is the work of about 5 seconds and it really does make things way better so worth it either way to be honest.

[Enduro14]

Mods adjusting warhead strength etc though, as with missile mods aren't they blocked/banned in MP? I like to fly a lot in MP so that would pretty much kill that idea off for me.

 

Put a request to mission hoster to install it for instance the bomb and rocket radius mod only the server hoster needs it. For example I'm going to request in 104th thread

[tkid]

@CIK where do I get this bomb mod? Thanks guys for the quick reply btw too.

[mattebubben]

CCRP isn't really accurate enough (at least from anything resembling altitude) that you can expect kills against medium+ armor, and this is true of almost every aircraft that uses anything like it.

 

this is why things were invented like

 

ripple settings

guided bombs

bigger bombs

dropping from a lower altitude

CCIP

 

btw bombs in DCS are really lackluster in terms of strength, so you should install warhead mod which will help at least a little, though in your specific case it may not solve the entire problem. if you are trying to release from over 10,000 feet AGL i'd imagine even the radius / power increase isn't going to compensate for the inherent inaccuracy of level release dumb bombs.

 

Well im not just talking about CCRP drops but unguided bombs in general.

 

And while im not expecting to kill modern tanks with my Snakeeyes i do expect that a close miss will kill a truck and that a very close miss (5+ meters) will do things to even light armor like BMP/BTRs.

 

But as it is it seems i need pretty much direct impacts against anything armored and closer then 10 meters for unarmored trucks.

 

And thats a reason why the accuracy is more important it maby should be.

 

But also the CCRP mode on the M-2000C is probably not as accurate as lets say CCRP on something like a F-16 or F-18 since they can use the radar to assist in the calculations.

[tkid]

Anybody know how to lase with predator drones

[Cik]

@CIK where do I get this bomb mod? Thanks guys for the quick reply btw too.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=159795

 

it's just a single file, replace your warheads.lua with the one in the download link in the OP.

 

this will solve many of your problems matte, and most of the problems experienced by every "less capable" platform than the original 2 (a10, ka-50) with killing anything. in general it magnifies bomb effectiveness vs. infantry soft vehicles and lightly armored vehicles by quite a bit, while keeping tanks reasonably difficult to kill with HE save direct or extremely close impacts.

[Robin_Hood]

But also the CCRP mode on the M-2000C is probably not as accurate as lets say CCRP on something like a F-16 or F-18 since they can use the radar to assist in the calculations.

 

Well, the CCRP (in TAS mode) should actually use the radar to get the distance to target, so it does assist. Do radars on the F-16 or F/A-18 do more than that ?

[PiedDroit]

Well, the CCRP (in TAS mode) should actually use the radar to get the distance to target, so it does assist. Do radars on the F-16 or F/A-18 do more than that ?

They do indeed, they can map the ground with good resolution and "see" targets, thus allowing tracking, where TAS mode on the M-2000C will only compute range to whatever is under the piper.

[tkid]

How to Predator lase for me? When I contact him he keeps saying no mark

[T_A]

How to Predator lase for me? When I contact him he keeps saying no mark

 

 

predator lase doesn't work , it a bug.

 

 

as for mods online , AFAIK at the moment the file integrity checks are not working.

[Robin_Hood]

They do indeed, they can map the ground with good resolution and "see" targets, thus allowing tracking, where TAS mode on the M-2000C will only compute range to whatever is under the piper.

 

I know there is ground mapping, I was just wondering how it can affect actual computation and accuracy.

[PiedDroit]

I know there is ground mapping, I was just wondering how it can affect actual computation and accuracy.

As I already wrote, it allows tracking, so yes, better target positioning and therefore better firing solutions.

That is not only ground mapping, that is ground mapping with good enough resolution to distinguish objects on ground and figure out their exact position.

 

I.e. they lock on an object that is fixed in space where M-2000 only knows distance to designator.

In addition to that, their computer probably handles wind layers to provide even better accuracy.

Edited March 7, 2016 by PiedDroit

[jojo]

Just a note:

While Razbam need to do more work on bombing system (and I'm sure they will do), in real world, putting dumb Mk 82 within 20m of the target is a good release.

 

There is reason to use LGB. Even LGB won't perform direct hit (DH) 100% of the time. They are sold for around more or less 5m CEP.

 

And target in the open should take heavy damage within 30m (blast and shrapnel effect).

 

So we need both better delivery system and better blast radius simulation.

DH with dumb bomb is exceptional, but in many simulators it's common.