Su-30M** Flanker advanced abilities?

[Pilotasso]

I have recently restarted making model kits, after buying 4 in the last month I got a su-27B from REVELL 1:72 scale kit (Im documenting its progress and will post a dedicated thread after it).

 

I was wondering since despite all the books I have, none realy goes in depth regarding these advanced variants. Wester aircraft I know, now russians, All I know is their weaknesses of the basic variants but none of the details on the export variants.

 

So I let some questions here for the connaiseurs:

 

Does any Russian AF SU-30's actualy capable of carrying the R-77?(theres 1 ingame, but Im not sure its realistic)

 

Is any Su-30 russian, chinese or indian aircraft feature multi engagement capability?

 

I would also like to see some detailed cockpit pics of these aricraft including as many MFD modes as possible.

 

I actualy would like to see a Su-30 single seat imported in LOMAC, with HUD pitch ladders and multi engagement capability with R-77 should it be possible. One guy cand dream. :)

[Guest Cali]

Sweet I build models has well I have a 14,15,16, SR-71, F-117 and a Tornado. The 16 is 90% done and I haven't started on the others. After I move in Sept I plan on finishing them or starting working on them again. I'll have to take some pictures and post them here.

[hitman]

I have this B-1A in storage that I need to start putting together..all 1-48th scale of it. Think Ill get me some putty, sandpaper and all that other stuff and get to work on it sometime within the next month or so.

[Pilotasso]

^^^^I seen that beast on sail from Revell, its a huge box. I would make a fool out of myself tryin to carry it. :D

 

But back to topic, Im not talking about Kits. Could anyone provide me the knowelege on the SU-30's?

[SVK_Fox]

plastic kit

 

I got also one Su-30 plastic kit (1:72). It is done, and it is early version of Su-30 so it cant carry any R-77. I also used payload from another model (Su-34). I can upload some photos If you want.

[Guest Cali]

mine are all 1:72 scale, I like 1:48 but you can get more models in 1:72 scale.

[S77th-konkussion]

There's all kinds of articles about them everywhere- like this one that names the R77 specifically.

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-30mk.htm

 

Thing is- many of the same sources have been known to publish incorrect info. The R77 on the SU27-S/K comes to mind. Even if it was going to be true until the funding dried up- you can still find this false info today.

 

This same site says that the 33 "was reported" to carry the Krypton, for example. The radar needed for this weapon ain't there- right?

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-33.htm

[Pilotasso]

I got also one Su-30 plastic kit (1:72). It is done, and it is early version of Su-30 so it cant carry any R-77. I also used payload from another model (Su-34). I can upload some photos If you want.

 

Cool, wich brand is it? I couldnt find any Su-30 1:72 models anywhere. I would also like to find a 1:72 kit after the Japanese F-2 fighter, but hasegawa I think its the only maker who ships them and although those are some of the best kits arround I have difficulty finding that brand.

[Ender]

Does any Russian AF SU-30's actualy capable of carrying the R-77?(theres 1 ingame, but Im not sure its realistic)

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It seems that there is no su-30's in russian air forces, the desision was made to upgrade su-27s to su-27sm, and they say it's more powerful with it's new avionics, a2g radar modes, and sure r-77 ready ;)

for now, there are tens of them exist, and 1-2 hundred are to come in following years(decades?).

what about su-30 - it can. and su-30mki can even more.but they are not suitable for russian air forces because of origin of avionics parts and other electronics - some french company produces them.

what about mfd's - they says, will be 3 mfd's in new su's, mig's and other modern combat planes, guess they all will have the same indications.

and r-77 said to be obsolete now - with new missiles to come in close future(they says...).

[Shaman]

r-77 said to be obsolete now - with new missiles to come in close future(they says...).

Fear the wrath of what's commin.. R-77ET :D

[nscode]

Or.... RET :)

[Pilotasso]

^^^^Only in star wars. ;)

[Force_Feedback]

The R-77PD seems to have both ramjets as IR terminal homing, so there's your ET.

 

They just started with the development of '5th gen' missiles for the MFI jet, obviousely, they sholud be an improvement in some way over the R-77/R-27/R-73 series.

 

The R-77 is still considered the main missile for the ten years to come.

 

They also have the Ks-172 and some other new (not R-33E aka R-37), even longer ranged missile 'operational'.

It would be great to have the R-27(E)P in game to shoot all those christmas tree guys. Imagine an F-15 is coming your way, you're not feeling like doing all evasive thingies, popping chaff, so you fire the 27EP. The Eagle driver sees a small dot, but eh, pop some flares and it's gone. So he popped like 6 flares, gone off the AB, then OMG, missile is still tracking him, oh shit, it's the EP, so he turns away ***growl*** and 8 seconds later there's the outside view and a fireball, and maybe an errant EP.

 

Anti-AWACS only, man, if this weapon ever gets in game it will be used as a supresser, forcing the enemy to turn away, or making silent kills if shot up. Then nobody will be flying with his radar on all showing off.

Ok, we need the Aim-120D, R-77PD, R-27EP, KS-172 and that other long range missile for, errm, 'duck hunting', yeah, that's right, just to shoot ducks from 150km away.

 

P.S. I'm not stoned or something, just ranting, dreaming about lockon.

[Alfa]

As far as "Su-30" is concerned, the following distinctions should be made:

 

* Su-30(Su-27PU). Initial interceptor version based on Su-27UB airframe but with addition of IFR probe. It retained N001 radar and R-27 line of missiles(SARH and IR) as primary weapons, but had improved EOS(OLS-30) with extended range and an expanded data-linking capability. The front cockpit seat is virtually the same as in Su-27UB, but unlike this, the rear seat has a small CRT display. The export version was designated Su-30K.

 

* Su-30MK. Common designation for Su-30 multirole versions for export. These can be configured according to customer requirements and additional suffix is added to denote recipient country/customisation. Examples of such export versions:

 

- Su-30MKK(added "K" denoting China). Retains Su-30K airframe features, but has new cockpit layout with multiple LCDs for both front and rear seat. Upgraded N001 radar(N001VE) with air-to-surface modes and support for R-77 AAM and Kh-31A ASM, new OLS-30M optronic system with TV channel for aquisition of ground targets and support for guided air-to-ground munitions - such as Kh-29T and KAB series of guided bombs.

 

- Su-30MKI(added "I" denoting India). Modified airframe with movable canards and AL-31FP TVC engines. Cockpit with multiple LCDs for both front and rear seat(but layout different from above mentioned Su-30MKK). N011M "Bars" phased array radar which combines electronic beam pointing for scanning with mechanical antenna actuation for selection of search sector(much more advanced and capable radar than the upgraded N001V used by the Su-30MKK). OLS-30M optronic system with capabilities described above. The Su-30MKI also incorporates some "after market" electronics and avionics components - of French and Israeli origin.

 

One original Russian Su-30 airframe was upgraded to "Su-30KN" standard - system wise all but identical to the upgraded Su-27SM and Su-27UBM, which in turn means similar systems as those mentioned for the Chinese Su-30MKK - i.e. N001VE radar, OLS-30M optronic system and Pastel RWS.

 

With the weapons capabilities depicted for the Su-30 in Lock-on, it would have been more correct to name it "Su-30KN" :) .

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[SVK_Fox]

ZVEZDA MODELS

 

Cool, wich brand is it? I couldnt find any Su-30 1:72 models anywhere. I would also like to find a 1:72 kit after the Japanese F-2 fighter, but hasegawa I think its the only maker who ships them and although those are some of the best kits arround I have difficulty finding that brand.

 

I also prefer 1:72 because you can get more of them. Ok.

This model of Su-30 is made by ZVEZDA. I put some links where you can see some details or something that could interest you. But one think: It is necessary to make many improvements to finish ZVEZDA Su-30 - quality of this model is not so good but ITALERY got worst :)

 

http://www.modele.oh.pl/s/item.php?i=9967

 

Here MK version: http://www.modele.oh.pl/s/item.php?i=9968&PHPSESSID=e998c20227b89b824369105ad31cc090

 

Something in english and also you can buy it here: http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=13861&sort=3a&filter_id=109999117

 

Homesite: http://www.zvezda.org.ru/

 

And finally, If you like SU-35 and SU-37 they also produce this planes:

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=98690

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=98691

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=98693

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=98684

 

I hope it will help you. Have a nice day!

[Pilotasso]

Cool replies, thanx all. I would like to see some pits, that would make my day. :)

[Pilotasso]

The R-77PD seems to have both ramjets as IR terminal homing, so there's your ET.

 

Not quite... terminal homing is not the same as BVR IR homing. It will only work if the missile has first guided and aproached the target sucessfuly by the missiles own radar= it will be too late when the terminal seeker takes charge of the missile. You can only pray for the proximity fuse not to pick up the target for being in a hard domain of its evelope wich is a bad prospect of survival. ;)

 

It would be great to have the R-27(E)P in game to shoot all those christmas tree guys. Imagine an F-15 is coming your way, you're not feeling like doing all evasive thingies, popping chaff, so you fire the 27EP. The Eagle driver sees a small dot, but eh, pop some flares and it's gone. So he popped like 6 flares, gone off the AB, then OMG, missile is still tracking him, oh shit, it's the EP, so he turns away ***growl*** and 8 seconds later there's the outside view and a fireball, and maybe an errant EP.

 

An errant EP, would be so unreliable players would stop using it all too soon and carry the normal payload again anyway. And it wouldnt work nearly as good as the ET does ingame either, for the good and for the evil.

[TucksonSonny]

Cool replies, thanx all. I would like to see some pits, that would make my day. :)

 

:music_walkman:

[Dudikoff]

I also prefer 1:72 because you can get more of them. Ok.

This model of Su-30 is made by ZVEZDA. I put some links where you can see some details or something that could interest you. But one think: It is necessary to make many improvements to finish ZVEZDA Su-30 - quality of this model is not so good but ITALERY got worst :)

 

And finally, If you like SU-35 and SU-37 they also produce this planes:

 

I hope it will help you. Have a nice day!

 

A thing to note here is that these are Nakotne model kits which are rather bad (little detail). They are accurate shape-wise as Su-27s (more accurate than the Revell Su-27 which in fact is a Hasegawa model kit with much too wide rear fuselage), but all this Su-30/35/37 business is basically the same model kit.

 

A useful survey of the Flanker model kits:

http://www.flankerman.fsnet.co.uk/su27surv.htm

[Pilotasso]

Again cool replies, heres the model I got:

 

 

I have the basic airfram complete, will start painting it tomorrow. :) Ill choose the russian cammo, not the ukranian airshow scheme.

 

Keep those pits pics coming. :)