Mission Tactics

[R1Lawsy]

Hey All,

 

Just looking for some tips on survivability... I can now fly and use all systems proficiently...

 

The issue is, when i die during a mission i usually don't know where the missile or AA came from.

 

I go slow, real slow but its hard to scan the whole area with the Shkval camera....

 

Do you guys send the wingman for recon first? Is that a good tactic?

 

What height and speed do you guys use on your attack run?

 

Then just cruising to and from waypoints? Anything else that would be useful?

 

Thanks

James

[Elwood]

Quick response, study the terrain, never end recon and read mission briefing.

 

I found really useful creating single player training missions with incremental enemy AA.

 

Anyway you will find lot thread about it!

[kilix]

Eyeball Mk II out of cockpit over unknown area. AI AAA tends to open fire at maximum range, which is kinda inaccurate and gives you a few seconds to react. When you spot tracers, run and return.

Now you know where it came from and you can search that area with Shkval and you return prepared, weapons armed.

Also, very good survivability is achieved by sacrificing wingmans. And it's a valid and widely-used tactic. Approach with low speed (<100kmh) and send the wingman on recce. If he does not spot the enemy and dies, again, at least you can see the tracers/missile plume firing on him and you are prepared.

Other than that, practice, practice, practice.

For me, there is still much to learn, after 9 months of kinda intensive gameplay.

 

You are exactly like me, about 3months ago. You know the systems, you know how to fly, you know how to operate weapons, but you die out of the blue and don't know why.

 

Also, I guess this is a repetitive issue and you can find similar threads in history here.

Like here:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=140954&highlight=battle+tactics

 

Here is my post on /r/hoggit, its basically about tunguskas or TORs, but many advices here can be applied to your problem too:

Edited March 29, 2016 by kilix

[BitMaster]

I went straight to 104th after I managed the bird, it will be kinda frustrating first but will reward you big time. Fly online as soon as you dare to and do offline only for adjusting HOTAS, 3D etc..

 

104th is tough fir beginners as it has no ext views etc.. but that keeps you concentrated on the battle and what you are up to and not get lost in fancy F2 views, cheat by following a rocket to check targets you wouldnt otherwise be able to see etc... if you fight, fight properly ;)

 

I find that online not only makes more fun, it also gives you more fps is my findings.

 

For any other scenario I highly recommend Virtual Aerobatics Server ( VA Server ) where you can work on your flying skills and relax a bit, try new aircraft and such but NO weapons :)

[BitMaster]

The way you fly the Ka can differ a lot, depending on the what you are up to and if you got cover or not, if you own the airspace or if you have to sneak in by night and better not be there at all kinda scenario.

 

Usually, what i find best is SLOW & LOW if you are new to the specific battlefield. Never hover for too long, never shoot more than a few from 1 spot but change location, circle AROUND the city of interest instead of flying OVER it. What you dont see from east, you might see from NW or SE, keep looking and dont get too close before you made VERY sure there is no AAA or such hidden.

 

Fly back when Vikhrs are empty and rearm & refuel instead of trying to kill yourself with 2"inchers

on solid targets if they are plenty, come back properly and finish with another 12 set of vikhrs..

 

slowly....

[Raptor9]

I posted this a while ago in a similar thread (EDIT: kilix already posted the thread :thumbup:):

 

Regarding specific tactics, I base mine specifically on expected or observed threats. If the highest threat is AAA, heavy-machine gun or small arms, I'll push up in altitude and keep moving. I'll attack using forward or diving flight, and avoid getting to close.

 

If the main threat is armor, SAMs, or other high concentrations, I'll try to use terrain-masking and standoff as much to my advantage as possible. Over flat terrain, you're vulnerable like Reaper6 said since trees in DCS currently don't prevent AI from seeing and shooting at you. In this case, keep moving and keep your standoff range as much as possible. Always take out the enemy equipment that can reach out and touch you the soonest.

 

If you run out of Vikhrs, don't close with the enemy if they can shoot you down before you get close enough to employ rockets or guns! Go back to the FARP/airfield and get more missiles. Wingmen (especially human wingmen) are definitely force multipliers. They can watch you're back since you don't have good visibility in the Ka-50 and you have very little defensive gear.

 

Even with four helicopters, despite all your firepower, you will almost always be outnumbered and maybe even outgunned, so don't attack the enemy formations head on, or where most of their firepower is focused. Attack their flanks...if they shift or move, move your flight. You're in a helicopter, you're more maneuverable than anything on the ground, use that to your advantage. You can reposition yourself very rapidly on the battlefield.

 

Finally, due to your lack of defensive systems, think of the Ka-50 as an infantryman or a sniper. Move from cover to cover, never dash into an area you haven't reconed visually and/or with your Shkval. Identify your next battle position that has cover and good fields-of-fire before you move from you're current one. Never stay in one place too long, especially after you start shooting. Use wingmen to observe for enemy fire while you're moving to the next position. Always take out threats to YOU/YOUR FLIGHT before anything else; if you get shot down, your mission objectives are gonna fail anyway.

 

PS: Beware tanks like the M1, T-80 and T-90, besides the fact the -80 & -90 shoot advanced ATGM's, they all can blast you out of the sky from a good distance with their main tank guns when hovering or flying slow enough. Even the T-72 can do this, although from much shorter range. You get a laser warning...IMMEDIATELY start moving and change direction every few seconds. Some of the European tanks are probably just as deadly, I've just never played any missions with them in it so I wouldn't know

Edited March 29, 2016 by Raptor9

[R1Lawsy]

Thanks guys... i will get online and keep going... i have to mention i increased the resolution of the shkval camera last night and it made a big difference to being able to locate threats... can't believe i didn't think of it sooner....

Cheers

James

[Elwood]

Keep in mind that you can always put shkval and abris on a secondary screen.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk224/VampyreMaster/dt1.jpg

It might be unrealist but IMHO better than a low res.

[Dafiew]

Keep in mind that you can always put shkval and abris on a secondary screen.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk224/VampyreMaster/dt1.jpg

It might be unrealist but IMHO better than a low res.

 

Here's my setup :)

 

[Elwood]

Good setup I'm just with my single screen. One day..maybe....

 

Inviato dal mio G7-L01 utilizzando Tapatalk

[Maulkin]

TacView is a good tool to review your missions to see what was going on and where you might have gone wrong: http://tacview.strasoftware.com/product/about/en/

[ShuRugal]

you may find chapter three of FM3-04.126 to be instructive...

[Xxx]

Thanks guys... i will get online and keep going... i have to mention i increased the resolution of the shkval camera last night and it made a big difference to being able to locate threats... can't believe i didn't think of it sooner....

Cheers

James

 

Hi, would this be a mod? Have you a link to it?

 

This has always been a little bugbear. The Shkval is obviously based on the original with "tube" type curved screen, so its forgivable to retain the historic credibility of the sim. I have quite a large single monitor, so its not a great problem. But any increase in definition is nice.

 

I recently came back to DCS World and am very impressed overall. The Black Shark us perhaps the most challenging and complete battlefield sim there is? Certainly the actual flying is very rewarding.

 

Apart from the A10c, which still suffers from the old trees issue, that being, trees showing as while hot in the IR optics? This makes searching for targets in a Forrest a bit of a nightmare!:music_whistling:

 

Cheers.

[Looney]

The Shkval doesn't have IR, it's a TV system without any IR possibilities. It tracks targets based on contrast, so if a target moves into a bush or forest, you'll loose lock in RL but not so very much in DCS as the software cheats when you want to track a target.

 

DCs doesn't track on contrast alone, it also checks wether a valid target is in the display, allowing somewhat of a track when vehicles go into bushes or dissappear partly behind a building.