Should have started with FC3

[possumkiller]

Right but you are using a mouse to click on an image of a switch. Until I can get a pit set up with real switches in the same layout as MiG-21 I would rather just push the keys. At least then I'm still using my own hands to press the buttons. Obviously either way works. It's just preference.

[possumkiller]

Had some spare time today and finally managed to get this thing airborne from a cold start! I have to say though that this http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=631895889 was a lot more helpful than following the white rabbit. Now onto systems and fighting!

[Frostie]

 

Now that we have so many "complex" planes I wish they would "phase" out the "easy mode" planes aka FC, and put them on their own servers. I kinda feel cheated when an F15C blows me out of the sky knowing that he has alot less workload in the cockpit than e.g a Mirage2000 pilot.

 

Easy mode?

The workload is relevant to the aircraft generation not the level of module.

This lazy labeling of FC aircraft is tiresome, get yourself in one and let's see how well you do. :D

[BFBunny]

A bad pilot is a bad pilot no matter the plane :doh:

 

I started with fc3 too. Worst thing I ever did. It got me to buy all the other modules!

 

Easy mode?

The workload is relevant to the aircraft generation not the level of module.

This lazy labeling of FC aircraft is tiresome, get yourself in one and let's see how well you do. :D

Edited April 17, 2016 by BFBunny

[Stuge]

If you think of the complexity of air to air combat itself, FC3 is easily the most complex and hardest to master. Currently, flying any other modules will not teach you how to to fight in FC3 fighters. While if you master FC3, getting into the other modules is relatively easy and is mainly about learning the systems and the flight model quirks. This is simply because FC3 fighters have the highest performance capabilities (flight performance, missile performance and sensors) and only with these high performance combat situations can you see and utilize the full spectrum of flight and missile dynamics.

 

Example: You cannot learn to defeat antiaircraft missiles kinematically unless you have a high performance fighter with a proper RWR to give a good launch warning indication.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Stuge

[possumkiller]

I do wish they could expand upon FC3. For instance, they could make a cockpit for the MiG-31. Update some of the AI planes to FC3 standard like Su-30, Su-34. I'm sure FC3 is more their bread and butter getting all the new kids coming from War Thunder into DCS and then into the more hard core modules.

[BFBunny]

I do wish they could expand upon FC3. For instance, they could make a cockpit for the MiG-31. Update some of the AI planes to FC3 standard like Su-30, Su-34. I'm sure FC3 is more their bread and butter getting all the new kids coming from War Thunder into DCS and then into the more hard core modules.

 

:helpsmilie:

[probad]

:doh:

 

war thunder already does a fine job of serving the sort of audience who would be interested in games like war thunder.

Edited April 21, 2016 by probad

[possumkiller]

Right and for people who are fed up with War Thunder FC3 is a pretty good way to get into DCS.

 

I really don't get why people here look down on FC3 level planes. Not everyone has thousands of dollars to pour into joystick setup with hotas and triple screens, pedals, head tracking, head set not to mention a computer good enough to run the latest in flight sims.

 

I think you guys would also find that the vast majority of players are casual players offline single player in spare time between family and work. The general population have lives and see something like this as a good hobby to blow off steam after a long day and don't have 12 hours a day to devote to learning the purpose of every switch, button, and lever in the cockpit.

 

It's also pretty discouraging for new people who talk about those things being ridiculed by people with some sort of superiority complex because you're better at pretending to be a pilot than the rest of us posers...

[Frostie]

It's also pretty discouraging for new people who talk about those things being ridiculed by people with some sort of superiority complex because you're better at pretending to be a pilot than the rest of us posers...

 

Having buttons to push in the cockpit does not make you a better pilot, my missus knows her way around all those crazy switches on our washing machine, does that make her a better pilot? A bit of a strange one but what I mean is that switchology doesn't make the pilot. It's not the fidelity that makes the pilot, it's understanding procedures, flight parameters and tactics that make better pilots.

 

The MiG-21 for example is not a hard aircraft to fight in, there is no overwhelming complexity to it some would have you believe compared to FC3 aircraft. One of the toughest challenges is learning the start up procedure which is not saying much. The challenging part is the fact it gets pitted against far superior platforms, that is what makes the combat tough.

If you created a server with MiG-21 vs Su25 then those Frogfoots would be dropping like flies, similar situation to 15 v 21 but those 25 pilots would't have the fidelity excuse to fall back on. :)

Edited April 22, 2016 by Frostie

[doodenkoff]

I got FC3 a couple of days after the MiG-21. I started in the free Su-25T and loved it so I thought I would try the Su-27 and loved it. So then I thought the MiG-21 would be awesome and hit a wall of switches and levers and buttons lol. I was pretty disappointed when I couldn't use the same keys to do anything like the 25T or 27. So I got FC3 a couple of days later anyway. The Su-33 and MiG-29 don't feel as great as the Su-27 and 25 but they are being upgraded to the same level soon. FC3 is where it's at for me. I can jump in and get airborne destroying enemies in no time. It's a great stress reliever where the MiG-21 just takes up too much time to even learn it. I start a training mission and before I finish I have to drop off/pick up wife/kids and I've forgotten all the switches from the beginning. Not to mention it's like learning another sim since none of the same key commands apply. Apart from ejection that's definitely the same lol.

 

 

 

Anyone care to swap for Black Shark 2?

 

Wanna swap the MiG-21 for Black Shark 2?

[possumkiller]

I hope you like it doodenkoff :)

 

I wound up missing it so much I bought another one lol.

[BFBunny]

Wanna swap the MiG-21 for Black Shark 2?

 

Bs2 has about 10 million more switches and is harder to fly and shoot in than the mig 21. Download the english pit from the mod section and follow the in-game startup tutorial which takes about 10 min. You only need to flick around six switches to get it turned on and about 5 min to get it in the air.

 

The F-86 sabre is probably one of the easiest click pits to start, land and fly. Feel free to take mine off my hands.

 

At least once you master the mig 21 in dcs you'll be able to get into a real one and fly it. :D

[Scendore]

FC3 still retains its status as the king of modern fighter combat because the new high fidelity modules have not and will not replace it for quite some time..

 

Debatable now that BMS 4.33 U1 is around. But yes FC3 gives a person going from one of the modules a chance to get into the sim a little quicker.

[doodenkoff]

I hope you like it doodenkoff :)

 

I wound up missing it so much I bought another one lol.

 

I haven't even sat in the cockpit yet. Working on P-51 skills. I'm mostly glad to have moved the Black Shark to someone more appreciative. I discovered I really don't enjoy rotary wing craft.

[possumkiller]

I like to fly the shark in game mode for those days when I just feel like floating around blasting everything in sight. I found that since I've learned the MiG-21 it is my favourite to fly full missions in. I still love the Su-27 though and I can't wait for the updates to the Su-33 and MiG-29.

 

 

 

 

 

I think at the end of the day I was wrong when I posted this thread. I mean I am glad I did because there were a lot of helpful things that came from it. However, I think that my initial reaction thinking that the MiG-21 is too complicated for casual fun was quite wrong. About a week of studying and practising (45min to an hour a day) was fun in itself as well as getting me able to fly this thing and blow other things up with it. So if anyone reads this because they think they may not have enough free time to learn the MiG-21 I can definitely say from experience that it doesn't take as much as you would think when initially looking at it. I swapped mine for the Black Shark but only because I said I would. After a day of MiG-21 withdrawals I bought another one.

Edited April 26, 2016 by possumkiller