FUEL AIR BOMB

[Parrotman]

Hi people,

I'm having a problem with the ODAB-500PM fuel air bomb.

My understanding is that it floats down on a parachute, then explodes

above the ground in a big flamer.

Mine float down alright but just crash into the ground with a little pop!

 

Any ideas?

[Force_Feedback]

Seen a vid of it in action, and the weapon is considered inhumane to use against living beings. The thing is horrible, it engulfs the whole area in a huge explosive liquid and then detonates, not only creating a shockwave and fire, it also sucks all the O2 from the vicinity, suffocating for example, personnel indide a building. And it looks like a mini-nuke.

 

I haven`t used it in lomac for a long time. Same goes for the S-25F, it`s the anti personnel version of the S-25, seen it in a museum, and the guide told it created a shrapnel cloud with a radius of about 100m, killing every living thing inside that, and that such weapons were used in the Afghan way, hence the fear of the mujahadeen for the Su-25, as it could clear big (1km in length and 150m wide) stretches of land in one pass.

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for example, personnel indide a building

 

or a cave

[Force_Feedback]

A building is more civilized :P

[Shaman]

Same goes for the S-25F, it`s the anti personnel version of the S-25, seen it in a museum, and the guide told it created a shrapnel cloud with a radius of about 100m, killing every living thing inside that, and that such weapons were used in the Afghan way, hence the fear of the mujahadeen for the Su-25, as it could clear big (1km in length and 150m wide) stretches of land in one pass.

 

Beautiful. I want those in LockOn against these crazy manpads.

[weasel75]

Okay, so the bomb is inhuman and bad... compared to all the other bombs, which are "good"? ;)

/sarcasm

 

But same here - tried the bomb before and saw no big difference on the ground. Maybe just the gfx are missing/not modelled?

After all, one can destroy parked vehicles with that bomb (although that can be done easier via cluster-bombs or bomblets (another bad-bomb, not to be used in civilized areas (which basically should cover the whole world by now ;) )).

 

S! - w75

 

PS: Anyone remember "Hind" from DI? There one could drop mines from the Mi-24... and some missions had that task..... gave me a strange feeling....

[Shaman]

Fuel air bombs are used to destroy entire buildings.

Bombs contain highly compressed gas that just before impacts is released, covering large volume of space, and then ignited.

Explosion of gas cloud is one of the most devastating effects you can get.

 

One weapon that is missing its GFX in the game is the ZAB bomb. There should be lots of fire involved (since it's napalm kind bomb), but there is no.

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but it sounds different :D

[Mike Cinch Perry]

Little History and Information in depth about"Vacuum Bombs"

 

On December 27, 1999, Interfax reported Russian forces were using fuel-air explosive bombs in the fighting in Chechnya.(1) The use of fuel-air explosives (FAEs), popularly known in Russia as "vacuum bombs," represents a dangerous escalation in the Chechnya conflict--one with important humanitarian implications. FAEs are more powerful than conventional high-explosive munitions of comparable size, are more likely to kill and injure people in bunkers, shelters, and caves, and kill and injure in a particularly brutal manner over a wide area. In urban settings it is very difficult to limit the effect of this weapon to combatants, and the nature of FAE explosions makes it virtually impossible for civilians to take shelter from their destructive effect.

 

According to one Russian military scientist writing for the Russian military magazine Voyennyye Znaniya (Military Knowledge), FAE weapons are effective against exposed personnel, combat equipment, fortified areas and individual defensive fortifications, clearing passages in minefields, clearing landing sites for helicopters, destroying communication centers, and neutralizing strongholds in house-to-house fighting in a city.(2) In addition, he stated that "fuel-air explosives are capable…of completely destroying in a given area vegetation and agricultural crops that have been planted." "In its destructive capability, it is comparable to low-yield nuclear munitions."(3)

 

Used in large numbers, fuel-air explosives and other blast weapons can have enormous destructive effects. When multiple FAE warheads are exploded, the different blast waves reinforce each other, increasing their destructive power.(4) The effect of blast weapons is also compounded in buildings and other enclosed spaces, and is twelve to sixteen times more destructive than conventional high explosives against targets with large surface areas, such as frame buildings, bunkers, and vehicle shelters.(5)

 

Because FAEs cover a wide area, they are prone to indiscriminate use, especially in or near populated areas. Since this weapon is very effective against personnel in fortifications, bunkers, and other buildings, Russian forces may be tempted to use them in towns and cities where Chechen fighters are dug in. In urban settings it will be impossible for the Russians military to limit the destructive effect of this weapon to combatants and very difficult for civilians to take shelter from the FAE's effect.

 

So far, the Russian military has reportedly used FAE bombs against the Dagestani village of Tando, in August 1999,(6)and more recently in the southern mountains of Chechnya.(7)

 

How FAEs Work

 

A typical fuel air explosive device consists of a container of fuel and two separate explosive charges. After the munition is dropped or fired, the first explosive charge bursts open the container at a predetermined height and disperses the fuel in a cloud that mixes with atmospheric oxygen (the size of the cloud varies with the size of the munition). The cloud of fuel flows around objects and into structures. The second charge then detonates the cloud, creating a massive blast wave. (For a demonstration of a FAE explosion, see the U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, China Lake, California, page at "http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/clmf/faeseq.html".) The blast wave destroys unreinforced buildings and equipment and kills and injures personnel. The antipersonnel effect of the blast wave is more severe in foxholes, on personnel with body armor, and in enclosed spaces such as caves, buildings, and bunkers.

 

Fuel-air explosives were first developed, and used in Vietnam, by the United States. Soviet scientists, however, quickly developed their own FAE weapons, which were reportedly used against China in a 1969 border conflict and in Afghanistan. Since then research and development has continued and currently Russian forces field a wide array of third-generation FAE warheads.

 

In addition to classic FAE munitions, Soviet scientists have also developed other "enhanced-blast" munitions, particularly reactive-surround and slurry-explosive blast warheads. Both types of warheads work on the same principle by which the explosive is dispersed and mixed with atmospheric oxygen before the detonation process is completed. The destruction, death, and injury are caused by the blast wave. Reactive-surround warheads are thin-walled containers filled with combustible aluminum and nitrocellulose. Slurry-explosive warheads are a mixture of a high explosive or other explosive solid mixed with a combustible liquid.

 

Blast Injuries

 

Blast explosives kill or injure in three ways: with the blast wave; with flying debris or by collapsing buildings; and by the blast wind throwing bodies against the ground, equipment, structures, and other stationary objects.

 

According to a 1993 study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency:

 

The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is unique--and unpleasant.... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.… If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as most chemical agents.(8)

 

According to a separate U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study, "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness."(9) Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissue…it is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate."(10)

 

Lung injuries are particularly difficult to diagnose and treat. If FAEs are used in Chechnya, this would present an additional burden on the ill-equipped and overburdened Chechen hospitals.

 

Known Russian FAE and Enhanced-blast Weapons

 

ODAB-500PM Bomb, Fuel-air-explosive-filled bomb.

KAB-500Kr-OD Bomb, TV guided fuel-air-explosive-filled bomb.

ODS-OD BLU dispenser, with ODS-OD BLU cluster bombs (8 per dispenser), Cluster bomb with fuel-air-explosive-filled cluster bomblets.

300 mm 12 tube rocket-launcher 9A52-2 (Smerch), Reactive-surround warhead on a 300 mm rocket.(11)

220 mm 16 tube rocket-launcher 9P140 (Uragan), Reactive-surround warhead on a 220 mm rocket(12)

Shturm Antitank Guided Missile, Helicopter-mounted rocket with FAE warhead.

ATAKA Antitank Guided Missile, Helicopter-mounted rocket with FAE warhead.

S-8D (S-8DM) 80 mm rocket, Aircraft-mounted rocket with FAE warhead.

S-13D 122 mm rocket, Aircraft-mounted rocket with FAE warhead.

TOS-1 220 mm Multiple Rocket Launcher System (Buratino, "Pinocchio"), Reportedly fires 220 mm rocket with FAE warhead.

Kornet-E Long Range Antitank Guided Missile System, with thermobaric (fuel air explosive) HE warhead, Infantry antitank rocket with FAE warhead.

RPO-A Shmel Rocket Infantry flame-thrower. Reportedly, the lethal and destructive effects inside a structure will cover an area of 80 cubic meters. In an open field the lethal area reportedly covers 50 square meters.(13)

AS-11 and AS-12 rocket warheads. Much of the information about these warheads is classified.(14)

FAEs are not currently banned under international humanitarian law. However, because they are wide-area weapons, military forces must exercise extreme caution and refrain from using them in or near population centers.

 

Operational Status

The the ODAB-500PM bom is in service with the Russian Air Force and was exhibited in Paris in 1995. There are no known export orders.

 

Here is a link on how they work for the people that are Tech savy.

 

http://www.gichd.ch/fileadmin/pdf/standards/TNMA/TN_09_30__04__2001_FAE%20_Version%201.pdf#search=%22ODAB-500PM%20fuel%20air%20bomb%22

 

Specifications

Length: 2.28 m

Body diameter: 500 mm

Tailspan: 0.50 m

Lug spacing: 250 mm

Weight: 520 kg

Filling: 193 kg high-energy fuel.

[Shaman]

KABOOM!

 

Fuel air bombs are used to destroy entire buildings.

Bombs contain highly compressed gas that just before impacts is released, covering large volume of space, and then ignited.

Explosion of gas cloud is one of the most devastating effects you can get.

 

http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/clmf/faeseq.html

Dreadful and beautiful at the same time! When are we going to see GFX special effects like these in combat flight sim.

[Gaizokubanou]

I too was looking forward to seeing a huge boom with the bomb, but it was very disappointing. Does anyone know if ED cares about updating the explosion visuals by any chance?

[STAR_80]

Weasel wrote: PS: Anyone remember "Hind" from DI? There one could drop mines from the Mi-24... and some missions had that task..... gave me a strange feeling....

 

 

Ahhh... Hind from DI man that brings back memories.

 

Really awsome sim for its time. But, again DI made the some of best sims of its genre.

[hitman]

Fuel Air Explosive

 

OOH and for shiats and giggles, 50 megatons of Tsar Bomba.

[Mustang]

Weasel wrote: PS: Anyone remember "Hind" from DI? There one could drop mines from the Mi-24... and some missions had that task..... gave me a strange feeling....

 

 

Ahhh... Hind from DI man that brings back memories.

 

Really awsome sim for its time. But, again DI made the some of best sims of its genre.

 

Oh yes, i remember Hind very well, and Apache, Tornado.........heres a nice video of Hind

[Force_Feedback]

OOH and for shiats and giggles, 50 megatons of Tsar Bomba.

 

Drop one of those on Holland, and you don't have to send any more nukes, very cost effective. 54 megatonsis sick, 100 would've been 'alien invasion only'.

[bSr.LCsta]

Hi people,

I'm having a problem with the ODAB-500PM fuel air bomb.

My understanding is that it floats down on a parachute, then explodes

above the ground in a big flamer.

Mine float down alright but just crash into the ground with a little pop!

 

Any ideas?

I have noticed that if you release too low or with a steep pitch angle they will do what you are describing. Try to release from over 2000m, and try to ccrp as well. I will post a screen if I get a chance. Same with the ZAB bomb. Maybe a glitch or something.

[Weta43]

You all seen this? (Kamov Ka-50 Black Shark / Werewolf video)

 

 

[Gaizokubanou]

I have noticed that if you release too low or with a steep pitch angle they will do what you are describing. Try to release from over 2000m, and try to ccrp as well. I will post a screen if I get a chance. Same with the ZAB bomb. Maybe a glitch or something.

 

I tried that and the para worked, but the explosion is still kinda tiny.

[bSr.LCsta]

I tried that and the para worked, but the explosion is still kinda tiny.

are you saying that it was different than before, but still disappointing, or that it didn't make a difference?

[Gaizokubanou]

Well I realized that fuel air bomb in this game is kinda tiny. I expected one of those HUGE ones, but oh well it's carried by SU-27 afterall...