Never had so much fun!

[bkthunder]

Well, in DCS at least.

I'm just coming back from a (rather) successful A-A session on the 104th (in a mission where AIM-120s were ruled out). Got 5 kills with the Mirage, and was killed 4 times. I was killed because I had to fumble with the radar and missile selectors, but anyway.

 

A-A in DCS was never my cup of tea. The FC3 a/c are over simplified, the radars and missiles not so realistic etc. This was the first time I actually ENJOYED A-A in DCS.

 

I see some things that probably need improvement, like radar lock etc.

One thing that I don't get is how to select the 530 from the hotas.

Eg. I go in CCM mode with the Magic, lock a target, is there a way to quickly switch back to he 530 while maintaining the lock?

 

Anyways, great fun.

Thanks Razbam.

[zerO_crash]

Well, in DCS at least.

I'm just coming back from a (rather) successful A-A session on the 104th (in a mission where AIM-120s were ruled out). Got 5 kills with the Mirage, and was killed 4 times. I was killed because I had to fumble with the radar and missile selectors, but anyway.

 

A-A in DCS was never my cup of tea. The FC3 a/c are over simplified, the radars and missiles not so realistic etc. This was the first time I actually ENJOYED A-A in DCS.

 

I see some things that probably need improvement, like radar lock etc.

One thing that I don't get is how to select the 530 from the hotas.

Eg. I go in CCM mode with the Magic, lock a target, is there a way to quickly switch back to he 530 while maintaining the lock?

 

Anyways, great fun.

Thanks Razbam.

 

 

Welcome back :smilewink:

 

When it comes to radar, that will improve, it´s acknowledged and getting worked on.

 

Super 530D is not selectable from hotas in the real Mirage 2000C RDI S5, the only thing that you can do on your hotas is to quick switch to 550 Magic. To be able to select Super 530D, you have to use the PCA panel (it´s fast anyways).

 

Now regarding your question about CCM and it´s integration with Super 530D, you can check the manual on Page 100. It states there that if you are in CCM, and choose Super 530D, you will leave CCM and be brought to standard RWS (TWS if you have someone locked already in CCM). From here on you need to lock again for STT (or twice if you had no target in CCM). Now you can fire Super 530D.

[jojo]

Yep in real, you have to use PCA to select S530.

 

But you can cheat by assigning "PCA store 2" to HOTAS button.

S530 has CCM modes too:

- bore axis

- HUD search (SVI)

- Horizontal search.

Edited July 3, 2016 by jojo

[zerO_crash]

Yep in real, you have to use PCA to select S530.

 

But you can cheat by assigning "PCA store 2" to HOTAS button.

S530 has CCM modes too:

- bore axis

- HUD search (SVI)

- Horizontal search.

 

So what, the manual is wrong?

[WildBillKelsoe]

HUD search (sorry OP, not jacking your thread), is it like vertical scan mode in F-15C?

[jojo]

So what, the manual is wrong?

 

No, the manual is right, the pilot have to select "530" on PCA.

But in DCS you can assign anything to your HOTAS. If you want to assign the NAV LIGHTS switch to the your throttle you can.

 

If you want to assign a specific PCA button you can too. Like I said it's a "cheat", but anyone can program his HOTAS as he wants :smilewink:

Edited July 3, 2016 by jojo

[jojo]

HUD search (sorry OP, not jacking your thread), is it like vertical scan mode in F-15C?

 

No. You have vertical scan for AA gun and Magic.

And instead you have HUD scan for S530. So the radar scan through all HUD FoV.

[WildBillKelsoe]

No. You have vertical scan for AA gun and Magic.

 

And instead you have HUD scan for S530. So the radar scan through all HUD FoV.

 

 

 

merci!

 

 

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[zerO_crash]

No, the manual is right, the pilot have to select "530" on PCA.

But in DCS you can assign anything to your HOTAS. If you want to assign the NAV LIGHTS switch to the your throttle you can.

 

If you want to assign a specific PCA button you can too. Like I said it's a "cheat", but anyone can program his HOTAS as he wants :smilewink:

 

That's fair, I`m not on about that. I mean what you stated, with Super 530D having CCM modes as well... That is contradictory to what the manual states on page 100. It claims there that by selecting Super 530D, you go back to standard RWS/TWS, you cannot use CCM with Super 530D...

[jojo]

After selecting the 530 you activate its CCM modes :smilewink:

 

I didn't test switching weapons after radar lock.

[zerO_crash]

After selecting the 530 you activate its CCM modes :smilewink:

 

I didn't test switching weapons after radar lock.

 

What CCM modes? Has the missile got any? :huh:

 

If so, how come it has CCM modes, yet the radar doesn't allow you to fire it in CCM? Guess I'm missing out on something here...

[jojo]

What CCM modes? Has the missile got any? :huh:

 

If so, how come it has CCM modes, yet the radar doesn't allow you to fire it in CCM? Guess I'm missing out on something here...

 

CCM modes are just radar search patterns.

 

Once the target is locked you are in STT, so you can shoot Super 530D.

Just try, you cycle between the different modes with the same keys as with Magic and gun.

 

With target in sight, it's more efficient to use CCM than to go head down to lock target on radar screen.

[PitbullVicious]

One thing confusing this discussion might be that the "real" CCM for S530D are only in the Open Beta version currently, along with other changes on how the CCM operates, I think. Although, I think that as jojo describes you can "misuse" (=contrary to what has been described in the manual) the CCM in the stable release version with S530D.

 

104th is using the stable release version, right?

[zerO_crash]

CCM modes are just radar search patterns.

 

Once the target is locked you are in STT, so you can shoot Super 530D.

Just try, you cycle between the different modes with the same keys as with Magic and gun.

 

With target in sight, it's more efficient to use CCM than to go head down to lock target on radar screen.

 

Ah ok, now I get it. You mean that you find your enemy with CCM, lock him up for STT. Then switch to Super 530D and fire away... Sure that works, but for me personally, I´m not sure if I would use the Super 530D in a 10NM engagement like that. Might as well close in for a gun kill, possibly 550 Magic. Anyways, glad we got it sorted out :thumbup:

[zerO_crash]

One thing confusing this discussion might be that the "real" CCM for S530D are only in the Open Beta version currently, along with other changes on how the CCM operates, I think. Although, I think that as jojo describes you can "misuse" (=contrary to what has been described in the manual) the CCM in the stable release version with S530D.

 

104th is using the stable release version, right?

 

Yes

[jojo]

No, I talked about 2 things:

- affecting "PCA Store 2 select" to HOTAS, to be able to select 530 without having to click in the cockpit, but it's all about personal preference.

- after selecting the 530, you can activate CCM radar search pattern (but maybe it's nit efdectuve yet in stable release, so sorry to bring confusion :doh:)

 

HUD search (SVI) is very effective way to lock a close target. And I'd rather shoot a 530 at 9Nm than take my chances Vs R-27ET or close in and be shot at with R-73.

But again, it's personal preference. :smilewink:

[Enduro14]

If you have cougar mfd's I recommend mapping your pca panel to it. Works wonders

[zerO_crash]

No, I talked about 2 things:

- affecting "PCA Store 2 select" to HOTAS, to be able to select 530 without having to click in the cockpit, but it's all about personal preference.

- after selecting the 530, you can activate CCM radar search pattern (but maybe it's nit efdectuve yet in stable release, so sorry to bring confusion :doh:)

 

HUD search (SVI) is very effective way to lock a close target. And I'd rather shoot a 530 at 9Nm than take my chances Vs R-27ET or close in and be shot at with R-73.

But again, it's personal preference. :smilewink:

 

Right, in stable it currently does not work.

 

But I´m still surprised that you get to operate radar in CCM when having Super 530D selected. That is contradicting the manual... Page 100. " Choosing the Super 530Ds while in CCM mode will disconnect the mode and revert to normal RWS mode" Weird...

 

Anyways, what I mentioned with most likely not wanting to use a Super 530D at such a range was kinda situational, sorry I didn´t make that clear. Of course I thought of my ninja and me emerging from the shadows :music_whistling:

[ZHeN]

But I´m still surprised that you get to operate radar in CCM when having Super 530D selected. That is contradicting the manual... Page 100. " Choosing the Super 530Ds while in CCM mode will disconnect the mode and revert to normal RWS mode" Weird...

Choosing Super 530Ds while in CCM mode never disconnected the mode in 1.5.3. In fact I always used this method to have CCM for S530s. Now S530s have their own CCM modes, but they're very buggy at the moment.

[jojo]

No problem found yet with CCM...

[nomdeplume]

But I´m still surprised that you get to operate radar in CCM when having Super 530D selected. That is contradicting the manual... Page 100. " Choosing the Super 530Ds while in CCM mode will disconnect the mode and revert to normal RWS mode" Weird...

I think they received more/better information subsequent to that. Though in a way it's still correct, the close-combat modes available with cannon/Magic are not available with S530D. But, the Super has its own close-combat modes.

[ZHeN]

No problem found yet with CCM...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2830774#post2830774

[sedenion]

(in a mission where AIM-120s were ruled out).

[...]

A-A in DCS was never my cup of tea. The FC3 a/c are over simplified, the radars and missiles not so realistic etc. This was the first time I actually ENJOYED A-A in DCS.

 

I think the master problem of FC3 gameplay is not so much the radar efficiency, but the tendency to use HUGE amount of over-efficient BVR missiles like AIM-120, R-27EM/ET or R-77, which turns the game in exclusive BVR, more ruled by luck than tactics. By excluding over-efficient BVR missiles and reducing count of BVR missile for all aircrafts, the game take a very different form, better balanced, more tactical, with more chances for dogfight merge... Happy to see that people finaly discover that.

[zerO_crash]

I think the master problem of FC3 gameplay is not so much the radar efficiency, but the tendency to use HUGE amount of over-efficient BVR missiles like AIM-120, R-27EM/ET or R-77, which turns the game in exclusive BVR, more ruled by luck than tactics. By excluding over-efficient BVR missiles and reducing count of BVR missile for all aircrafts, the game take a very different form, better balanced, more tactical, with more chances for dogfight merge... Happy to see that people finaly discover that.

 

A) It's not about "balance", it's about as realistic approach to a battlefield as possible (if possible, historically correct)

 

B) There never was a doubt as to missiles, and not in that they over-perform, but rather the lack of success rate modelling. Imagine the AIM-54, it had around 50% chance of mechanical failures and such, without that being modelled, people won´t even understand why the missile was ruled out...

 

That said, there are efficient ways to defeat missiles (and tactics too), realistic ones too (not those tactics which have been worked out by use of Tacview and getting shot down 50x +++ relying on sheer luck)

Edited July 4, 2016 by zerO_crash

[sedenion]

A) It's not about "balance", it's about as realistic approach

 

Ho, ok... sorry... my mistake, all is about "realism"... that's true.