-= ACG MigVsSaber Server (EU) =-

[comie1]

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More missions without Harriers, please!!!

 

Or better: Rip out Harriers from all missions! :music_whistling:

 

You are my new enemy... Prepare yourself :mad:

[JG3Siggi]

Might be an idea to change the name of the server now.

[Alpenwolf]

The SRS is no big deal. Let's say negligence? Among other issues I might add.

 

Now...

 

... Don't make me start.

[Nero.ger]

You are my new enemy... Prepare yourself :mad:

i am with you comie1

[comie1]

Ok weird one tonight... Once Sail Ahoy peeps kept getting kicked/dropped from the server randomly.

[Alpenwolf]

Ok weird one tonight... Once Sail Ahoy peeps kept getting kicked/dropped from the server randomly.

What do you mean "peeps"? Only you were kicked/dropped?

[comie1]

What do you mean "peeps"? Only you were kicked/dropped?

 

Peeps is my cool kid way of saying people :megalol:

CAT, http://www.youtube-DCS-Dogfights.co.something.com...... and I were experiencing it. :thumbup:

[Boris]

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More missions without Harriers, please!!!

 

Or better: Rip out Harriers from all missions! :music_whistling:

 

They should just fix the freaking damage model.

[Alpenwolf]

Peeps is my cool kid way of saying people :megalol:

CAT, www.youtube-DCS-Dogfights.co.something.com...... and I were experiencing it. :thumbup:

You and your peeps. I'll check it out later.

[comie1]

They should just fix the freaking damage model.

 

And the Mig-21 Damage model and the Mig-15 Damage model and the.....

man they have their work cut out for them

[Boris]

And the Mig-21 Damage model and the Mig-15 Damage model and the.....

man they have their work cut out for them

 

I was referring more to the fact that Harriers frequently take two to three missiles to down. That isn't the case with the MiG-21 or the MiG-15.

Yeah, a whole bunch of stuff needs to be fixed on the MiG-21.

[Nero.ger]

I was referring more to the fact that Harriers frequently take two to three missiles to down. That isn't the case with the MiG-21 or the MiG-15.

Yeah, a whole bunch of stuff needs to be fixed on the MiG-21.

 

loool, its rare i laugh that hard, Mig21 is the King of missle eating! 2-3 missles is normal,sometimes even 4....

[Boris]

loool, its rare i laugh that hard, Mig21 is the King of missle eating! 2-3 missles is normal,sometimes even 4....

 

Funny, I've almost always taken down a MiG with one missile and never taken down a Harrier with one.

 

Maybe you're accidentally firing at the Harriers thinking they're Migs?

Edited March 1, 2018 by Boris

[Alpenwolf]

Funny, I've almost always taken down a MiG with one missile and never taken down a Harrier with one.

 

Maybe you're accidentally firing at the Harriers thinking they're Migs?

Try this then! I always take down Harriers with 1 missile! 2 at the most. I fly the MiG-21 and 1 missile takes me down. Seems like the DM is different to each and every player. That's veeeeeery strange.

[Nero.ger]

Maybe you're accidentally firing at the Harriers thinking they're Migs?

while that would be a convinient reason for all harrier haters, nope i am not that triggerhappy an i rearly fire at the wrong target :joystick:

[comie1]

Guys.... 100% Mig-21, 15 and AV8B's take two missiles 7/10 times at the moment. I have Manny manny tacviews to prove dis.

[Toasty]

I don't get the point about damage, my knowledge about damage model doesn't go beyond DCS experience. To me, the Mig-21 and other soviet hardware seems very sturdy and can sustain a lot of damage. Yesterday one Su25T survived the attack of four aircraft and a bunch of missiles.

 

Dude, nobody hates nothing here! My main concern about Harriers is that they do not fit a Cold War 60's/70's scenario. Its avionics suite, sensor, and weapons are too overpower in this server. A digital hud that gives a lot of information and situational awareness on the battlefield, a truly effective RWR that really gives you a whole view os the situation and an A2A missile far... far... FAR... better than the best redfor similar weapon.

 

So we are fighting a late 90's aircraft with a very limited 70's hardware.

[Toasty]

I'm trying to imagine when F14 come out and the outcry to add this kind of fighter in a cold war scenario with an AN/AWG-9 radar... :lol::lol::lol:

[comie1]

Na the concern is over the drastic change in the DM behavior in the mig and others recently matey. The AV8B got a lot better recently but is still a bit too tough.

Pretty sure the AV8B is here to stay.

The server although called Cold War is more of a non BVR server.

[dFlow]

I cannot say that a mig21 would take more missiles than anything else.

had downed a couple of migs with one missile only - on the other hand my viggen sometimes was flyable even after getting hit - not good, but i got away :pilotfly:

 

about friendly fire: happened to me twice on this server, oh man gotta get my visuals right:doh:

[Bersagliere81]

Often the mig21 can take a missile and fly for a while. But engine is suffering until death. The flight behaviour becomes also hard, and that's not something an F5 can notice.

That's why most think it takes a lot of missiles to be downed

[comie1]

Looking over Tacvies from last two nights over 6hrs worth.. All Pilots not just me FYI

 

Blue

Viggen- To Kill Mig21 = 1 Shot

F5-E3- To kill Mig21 = 1-2 Shots 50/50

AV8B- To Kill Mig21 = 1-3 Shots Predominantly 1Shot

Any Jet To Kill SU-25 = 1Million Gun Rounds... Honestly ridiculous :lol:

Red

Mig21- To Kill F5-E3 = 1 Shot

To Kill Viggen = 1Shot

To Kill AV8B = 1-3Shots Predominantly 2Shots

SU-25- To Kill Anything = No Data

 

Kinda interesting to see. Also worth bearing in mind when I was killing Migs in the AV8B I was trying to get as many head on as possible or side on to maximize potential for killing the pilot because I know it can take two shots. Most of the F5-E3 kills on Migs were rear aspect close range, medium to long range took more hits to kill.

Overall the Viggen seems the most stable for killing and kills.

This is in no way the most accurate test but some of you might find it interesting. :thumbup:

[Boris]

Thanks for the detailed analysis comie

[deyneko]

I was referring more to the fact that Harriers frequently take two to three missiles to down.

I noticed this too :)

 

Edited March 3, 2018 by deyneko

[Alpenwolf]

... My main concern about Harriers is that they do not fit a Cold War 60's/70's scenario. ...

Didn't know the server was called Cold War 60's/70's. That would exclude the F-5E Tiger ll, the MiG-15, the Sabre, AWACS, some ground units etc.

 

For the X time the cold war started in 1945, right after WWll and lasted until 1991 when the Soviet Union had collapsed. The Harrier made its maiden flight sometime in the late 80's. Surely RAZBAM wasn't thinking only about this server if at all when they made a Harrier of the late 90's. We've got to deal with what we have otherwise we'd end up having a module or 2 on each server just to give it the exact reflection. We'd end up having more servers and much less players on each. That's fun! The Harrier with its HUD, RWR and super avionics never gave me an extra challenge while flying my MiG-21. The F-5 was and still the fighter out there that gives me the best, toughest and longest dogfights and nothing else that is easier to predict.