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[Guest Cali]

:ranting:Please for the 1,000,000 time there is no need to fly with your jammers on, it is not part of the start-up precedure. It's like a flashlight in the dark, your telling us where you are. Maybe some of you need to have your jet seen by a mechanic :idiot:

 

Also please check your MFD/HUD/WHATEVER you have to check to make sure you aren't shooting at a friendly. In the last 4 days I have been team killed 5 times and vulched in a non-vulching server (the vulcher knew that I was on the ground). I don't mind being vulched but when the server says no vulching well. Sorry for yelling and saying something I shouldn't have said to a individual in the 169th server. I wasn't mad at you just the fact that I have been TK'ed 5 times in 4 days. I'm glad to see new faces in hyperlobby, but please read the manual :book: and know what you are shooting at.

 

5 times and vulched, thank you to anyone who does this /0

 

P.S please stop tking me :(

 

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[SVK_Fox]

:ranting:Please for the 1,000,000 time there is no need to fly with your jammers on, it is not part of the start-up precedure. It's like a flashlight in the dark, your telling us where you are. Maybe some of you need to have your jet seen by a mechanic :idiot:

 

Also please check your MFD/HUD/WHATEVER you have to check to make sure you aren't shooting at a friendly. In the last 4 days I have been team killed 5 times and vulched in a non-vulching server (the vulcher knew that I was on the ground). I don't mind being vulched but when the server says no vulching well. Sorry for yelling and saying something I shouldn't have said to a individual in the 169th server. I wasn't mad at you just the fact that I have been TK'ed 5 times in 4 days. I'm glad to see new faces in hyperlobby, but please read the manual :book: and know what you are shooting at.

 

5 times and vulched, thank you to anyone who does this /0

 

P.S please stop tking me :(

 

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Yes sometimes it is crazy to fly with guys and now...booom R-73 in your back ...teamkill, last day I was also killed. I mean that many new users,players of lockon are on HL and nobody of them readed manual. They often asked how they can recognize fr or foe.

 

But I have to say big SORRY to guy ....... - dont know who was that, but I killed him with Su25T, maybee it was you :) But after his meesage, that vulching is not allowed i stopped it.

[Guest Cali]

Yes sometimes it is crazy to fly with guys and now...booom R-73 in your back ...teamkill, last day I was also killed. I mean that many new users,players of lockon are on HL and nobody of them readed manual. They often asked how they can recognize fr or foe.

 

But I have to say big SORRY to guy ....... - dont know who was that, but I killed him with Su25T, maybee it was you :) But after his meesage, that vulching is not allowed i stopped it.

 

Nope that wasn't me, I was in a server with just fighters (169th server)

[ZoomBoy27]

Maybe ask the Server to broadcast that message.

DC-A2G broadcasts a warning about the time left on a mission.

Maybe servers can try that.

[Guest Cali]

Maybe ask the Server to broadcast that message.

DC-A2G broadcasts a warning about the time left on a mission.

Maybe servers can try that.

 

 

That's not a bad idea, hopefully some of the server admins sees this and can add this in somehow.

[Pilotasso]

The real problem is that the game provides unrealistic standoff jamming capability to anyone who cant use good tactics otherwise.

And this is not a server issue, it hapens in all servers. You have been lucky to have been TK'ed just 5 times. I got killed like this like 10 times lately usualy during a merge just before I press the trigger... KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM :D

[Cosmonaut]

Sounds like you had a few unlucky days.

 

I was online a few days ago and the ECM thing really is a problem .. Personally I never use ECM unless I’m running and I can break lock by jamming but the Matrix effect, in the HUD, gets tiring after a while and it leads you right to the area where other team mates might be trying to stay out of the way. I actual shot down an A10 that was jamming while flying really low .. I mean what’s the point of flying under the radar if you’re going to broadcast where you are with your ECM.. makes no sense.

 

Fortunately I wasn’t Tked although it got close once when a Su27 picked up my tail .. Luckily it got visual and I managed to get on his six then flew by flashing my nav lights and then he finally figured it out.

[Shaman]

That's because nubs think that ECM is "stealth mode on"

[ScEBlack1]

It has gotten ridiculus in the last few months for sure, jamming everywere right from takeoff it seems and then i see dozens of questions about what to do and how to do it as if no one even bothers to read a manual or anything, really annoying.:mad:

[3Sqn_Sven]

For any new guys to lock on that may be reading this, the guys here who are suggesting not to leave your ECM on are all experienced lomacers, Pilotasso, SVK_Fox, Cali; very good and very experienced. The hot tip from all of us with a fair bit of time up is to leave your jammers off for the most part. Jammers have their uses, but leaving them on not only broadcastes "I'm a noob and I'm over here" to us lomac "sharks", but it is really not an effective way to avoid detection or defeat attack.

 

Turning your jammers on all the time is essentially ringing the dinner bell for the more experienced guys...and it's bloody annoying!

 

Additionally I'd suggest you at least do the 5 training missions that come with the sim for the particular a/c you wish to fly. Without the knowledge aquired in those tutorials you will probably end up getting very frustrated online. It will only take 1-2hours.

 

Other than that, it's good to see some fresh meat in the servers! Welcome!

[S77th-konkussion]

That's because nubs think that ECM is "stealth mode on"

 

and you new guys that fly on this theory are going to continue to have frustrating days... Do you know how easy it is to take you down when you fly like that? You might as well be in the cockpit of a flourescent green A380 complete with an ambulance package.

 

Now that said- keep in mind that the ground pounders are more likely to be using jammers when over their target area. (hint) Some extra investigation is necessary before barreling in there..

 

 

And now- some of the most shocking, revolutionary info that has ever been written upon these boards....

 

A look at the map and or briefing before entering will (get ready)let you know where you might encounter the mudd movers, where you might expect enemy flights to come from, the types of defenses you might encounter...

 

Getting on the server's Teamspeak channel will ensure you keep pace with the ever changing tactical situation.

 

phew.. I'll stop here ... wouldn't want anyone to have a stroke. :doh:

[GGTharos]

Eventually, HoJ mode will have missiles follow proportional navigation instead of pure, and then people will be asking 'what hit me?'

 

It was a missile homing in on your jammer! It can happen today too, though the pure pursuit makes this less likely.

 

I TK'ed a friendly F-15 once because he was coming in with his jammer on, locking me up, and there -were- F-15's on the other side.

TURN THE BLOODY JAMMER OFF PEOPLE!

 

While it is unlikely to happen any time soon, I will submit a proposal to ED that may see jammers changed enough to make people think twice about making them part of the startup procedure - mainly alter HoJ to proportional navigation, but perhaps a couple other goodies also (such as automatic rangefinding if you keep your jammer on for longer than say, 30 seconds)

[S77th-konkussion]

While I appreciate the thought process- that is a dumb idea <IF> it is being done as a motivator/ or some kind of scolding/ punishment. If you KNOW it does not reflect reality than you should leave it alone. Filling in the blanks is one thing (example- datalink in flankers) Satisfying one of your pet peeves is another.

 

If you TK someone because they were stupid- you have done nothing wrong in my eyes. You gotta get over the scoreboard- or better yet -enable us to turn it the hell off.

[GGTharos]

Oh no, I know it reflects reality. ;)

 

Just about every modern fighter is equipped with a triangulation procedure against jammers, and missiles will track in proportional navigation against them also.

 

There was a compromise that was sought in LOMAC in order to achieve certain goals, but I think those are no longer viable.

The ones who will suffer the most from this, are probably AIs.

[S77th-konkussion]

Oh no, I know it reflects reality. ;)

 

very well, then. :smilewink:

[Force_Feedback]

Heh, I never fly any higher than 50m agl and never have my radar on, yet I always get whacked by n00bs with ECM and stuff :p

[Corsair7662]

This is for the ground guys, 10's and 25's. they use their jammer whenever their in target territory but guess what, its a total disadvantage. Enemys can see u on radar, a sam can shoot at you and you wont hear it, if you got A2A weapons you can shoot down their missiles, ECM is supposed to disrupt sam radars on LOMAC but it doesnt.

[S77th-GOYA]

This is for the ground guys, 10's and 25's. they use their jammer whenever their in target territory but guess what, its a total disadvantage. Enemys can see u on radar, a sam can shoot at you and you wont hear it, if you got A2A weapons you can shoot down their missiles, ECM is supposed to disrupt sam radars on LOMAC but it doesnt.

 

You might want to rethink that. ECM is very useful for a mudmover and radar SAM shots give a warning and ECM only disrupts until burnthrough is achieved. The reality of burnthrough is not modelled in LOMAC.

 

That being said, if there are no radar SAM threats at the target area, jamming could be considered detremental and a big ol' "come kill me" beacon.

[Corsair7662]

I am discussing the problem of that in LOMAC, and yes I am right cause you do not need ECM on around sams because it really serves as no use in lock on but really does in real life. Its the difference between the both I am putting out there. And so thats why I just load up on 4 AIM-9's and not 2, dump the jammer cause it is really no help in the virtual world.

 

Edit: Any what is with all you people adding a warn to me!!!!!!

[S77th-GOYA]

ECM will decrease the launch range of certain SAMs so that you can get into your launch range. That is a valid reason to use it.

 

Re: warnings, check your user CP

[Solidburn]

This is one reason I fly the SU-27/33...it's a Whole lot easier to IFF.

[S77th-konkussion]

I am discussing the problem of that in LOMAC, and yes I am right cause you do not need ECM on around sams because it really serves as no use in lock on but really does in real life. Its the difference between the both I am putting out there. And so thats why I just load up on 4 AIM-9's and not 2, dump the jammer cause it is really no help in the virtual world.

 

Edit: Any what is with all you people adding a warn to me!!!!!!

 

 

You're wrong- for the reasons Goya outlined. The jammers CLEARLY reduce the range at which you can be fired upon by a SAM in lomac.

[GGTharos]

However, when it comes to the large SAMs - SA-6, 10, 11, it does not really reduce the range against a Hog flying low.

 

SA-8, 15, S6 all have their range cut in half on the other hand.

[Stealth_HR]

You're wrong- for the reasons Goya outlined. The jammers CLEARLY reduce the range at which you can be fired upon by a SAM in lomac.

 

And that's the only reason when you should be using ECM anyway, if you're under 500m, going SEAD and you've got a Buk scanning the insides of your air intake. :P

[GGTharos]

It won't matter - the Buk will not care for your jammer ... your jammer prevents lock on - against the buk, burn through occurs pretty much at launch range ... against any large sam, BUK, KUB, or S300, your jammer's plain useless because they will burn through typically at or before launch range.